Abortion is exactly the same as murdering an innocent and vulnerable person

>Conception (when the egg is fertilized by the sperm) can take place as soon as three minutes after sex or it may take up to five days. Implantation (when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall) occurs five to 10 days after fertilization—which means it can happen anywhere from five to 15 days after you had sex.

Abortion should be mandatory for most of the population.

>innocent
Fetuses are unbaptized. They are hardly deserving of life as long as they're marked by original sin.

not really, it is only clear that you are pregnant weeks after conception. If she hasn't reported rape before then then obviously she is lying

Now hold on pardner. Rapes go unreported for a lot of reasons, especially when it was someone close to them.

why are amerimutts obsessed with this abortion shit? must be a religious reason. weird as fuck.

See, I wouldn't mind pro-life if those people were actually pro-life. They seem to care more about foetuses than human beings- homeless ones, mentally ill ones, the ones shot up in schools. Anyway its not a political issue here thank fuck

So any woman who does not everything to prevent any miscarriage and the safety of her baby 3 minutes after every sex session should be jailed for child abuse ?

>being against killing soon to be poor people

you naive jap monkey
you have zero experience having discussions about issues in your society
that's why your country doesn't teah you truth about Japan's war crime riddened past

What's the exact difference between removing a fertilized egg and preventing an egg from getting fertilized?

Man I wish I was aborted

see
what happens with all the miscarriages?

same which is why it should be mandatory for most people

>abortion is exactly the same as murdering an innocent and vulnerable person
and yet you people have no problem with well regulated militias exercising their 2nd amendment right to do this every single day

It is. It only became a big issue because the religious right made it a big issue to get more votes. It's literally a non-issue and should be legal, as abortion is one of humanity's greatest inventions and I say this with deadly (lol) seriousness.

Though at this point Chuds are against it just because (most) women want it legal.

A fetus isn't a person until they develop consciousness, and the parts of the brain that enable consciousness develop around week 14-20. Therefore, abortions should be entirely legal in the first trimester.

Abortions should be allowed on a case-by-case basis in the second trimester in cases of socioeconomic hardships, the mother's health, and developmental disorders. It's especially important to allow a leeway for things like Downs syndrome, as the most accurate tests can only be done around week 18-21.

Abortions should not be allowed in the third trimester, except in the cases of rape, the mother's life, and the mother's health in extenuating circumstances.

>religious
Of course.
Criminal investigation.

The west is a post-christcuck civilization. Their cultural values come from Christcuckery. Fetuses aren't people.

yes, and the doctor who performed the abortion too
sex isn't for recreational

t. virgin

thoughts? why do you guys not care about actual people

>sex isn't for recreational
How do you know, you've never had it.

Nigger, you are just religious as fuck. Its not even a scientific issue. You treat it like religious dogma. Though keep being this moral faggy. Whether you are conservative or liberal, all of you Amerimutt subhumans cant grow out of being moral nigger puritans.

Surprisingly there's not really a huge gender difference in opinions on abortion

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Nips and pakis don't have souls though so fuck off from this conversation

I know, but in terms of chud perception there is because women are the most outspoken about it.

There's nothing wrong with abortion much like there's nothing wrong with killing retards, criminals and ethnic groups you don't like.

You're a spic. Europe sent all of their religious fanatics to America, and it shows.

based, get the population issue under control

exactly
i believe murdering is bad, therefore abortion is bad
you can also be
i believe murdering is good, therefore abortion is good

This is why the movement's focus on women's agencies and attempts to focus on teh evil menz is absolutely retarded.

The only way to settle the debate with a religious person, who genuinely believes that abortion is murder, is to convince them that it's not a human being until a certain point. Only the crazies believe in abortion beginning at conception, so it shouldn't be too difficult to show that abortions should be legal in the first trimester - which reflects most of the developed world's stance.

I support murder.

This is honestly what pro life boils down to.

I don't get why incels act like life is so sacred to them when they
1) refuse to create one
2) constantly call for the slaughter of whatever they don't like
Nature is quite brutal and I genuinely couldn't care less about some unborn child.

if it is abortable, it is human life

People have tried this line of reasoning. Religious people won't listen because they have convinced themselves that life begins at conception and there's no way to logic your way out of that because it is based on their religion. The focus on agency and medical rights makes slightly more sense from a legal and ethical perspective because we already have laws and ethical justification for why people have bodily autonomy that should not be violated for the rights/lives of others (like forcing organ donation).

And I think you underestimate how much money and power the crazies have. They also tend to blow up abortion into a bigger debate than it is to cover up tons of other shit because they know people get emotional about it and it turns into a giant circlejerk of emotions.

I support abortion.
There should not be more like me.
I want a gf.

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>1) refuse to create one
implying incels have a choice

It literally just boils down to them being anti-women. I've seen (self professed) incels just straight up say they want abortion illegal because it creates problems for women and punishes sex havers (including men). I'm also guessing that fetuses that should have been aborted are more likely to end up incel so it inflates their numbers.

I would not want to have a retarded child lol. I’d abuse the shit out of it due to the frustration. It’s more humane to abort.

>murder is... LE BAD

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Unironically a good video about the subject:
youtube.com/watch?v=myi5bZVvBv8
But most dummies on Any Forums won't see it because it's a woman talking.

The vast majority of "incels" are just picky volcels or those who refuse to try to date. They definitely have choices, they just refuse them.

I am an incel and this thing is definetly not voluntary for me

I assume you're a very handicapped burn victim with HIV or something then, I'm sorry.

This, abortion is the most humane option for the situations that warrant it.

>crying babies is... le good actually!!!

no one is murdering anyone, the kids are liberated in special medical operations.
not our fault freedom is too spicy for them and they all die.

Ever tried picking up a drunk 3/10 landwhale from a club?

if you wouldn't fuck her than you are a volcel

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I'm a volcel. I've had sex like 6 years ago and refuse to have it again with a girl below my standards

Abortion is literally just the continuation of exposing babies to the elements really. Ancient human Tradition.

Abortion is murder but I don't actually care about that I just want to punish whores (all women)

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At least you're honest about it.

This, I don't know why people pretend it's anything new.

look on the bright side, at least you’re aware

>every country should oppose abortion
Every country should oppose oil and gas giants, multi-national pharmaceuticals monopolies, Chinese/Eastern Asian slave labour factories, any mine using outdated practices, clear cut logging practices, and last and most obviously wars generally. These are topics of global concern.

What's not national concern is an unwanted pregnancy. The fact that some trailer trash chick named Lexus got knocked up by Cletus "Bubba" Delroy is not of national interest or local concern, nor is what she intends to do with the unborn child. But what's curious about this is that if Bubba forgets to lock the door and a burglar tries to run off with Bubba's prized antique Coke bottle collection, Bubba has the legal right to blow a softball-sized hole through that burglar's chest with the shotgun Bubs keeps under his pillow. But Lexus forgot to take a pill and now an unwelcome intruder named Lil' Bubsy Junior is going to make off with her entire life savings - and it's illegal for her to do something about that 3% of an unwelcome human being inside her, rather than the 100% of an unwelcome human being that tried to steal Bubb's glassware.

Fact of the matter is that, while unpleasant, abortions are not only logically consistent with your right to protect yourself from harm, a right to abortion is among the more important rights that women can even have. Honestly, if you're going to make abortions illegal, you should also make prenuptial agreements illegal and also make child support unbreakable except in the most extreme of circumstances. You've got to go either whole-hog or no-hog on this one.

Abortion should be made legal regardless of how old the fetus is you can terminate it a day before birth. On top of that euthanasia should be legal on demand to everyone regardless of age.

Two very wise posts.

no they dont, the times when that happens is because the woman is lying

>it just doesn't logically make sense
nations are not concerned with being logically consistent but with maintaining easy routes to power. anyone with a brain knows abortion is an abhorrent act of child murder but most people have been conditioned to meekly accept this evil like many other evils and indignities they are forced to abide daily. human society has always been a perverted, disgusting manmade horror beyond comprehension and has always opposed the organic, the natural, the true.

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Least suicidal lithuanian.

You're lying right now.

Why this arbitrary cutoff point and not one of the other dozen possible ones?

lol, retard

Alright, lets settle this once and for all. What stage do we kill it?

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Around half of fertilized eggs fail to implant themselves. Is this a silent Holocaust?

At any stage and this includes after birth (though at that point it's euthanasia, not abortion).

murder = revenge
revenge = war
war = gun race
Gun race = big nukes
Big nukes = asteroid field instead of planet.
asteroid field instead of planet = ?
Super-man plot rip off

it is you who is inventing the arbitrary cutoff point. a child is born as soon as conception occurs, and if not killed will grow into a human being whose life you should value, unless you are a morally bankrupt subhuman. even if you refuse to see a fetus as human for some inane contrived reason, you will be forced to admit the consequentialist statement that a fetus will eventually grow into a human being and will be born if all goes well. the arguments for abortion all boil down to avoidant reductionist sociopathy from psychos that cannot place value or worth on the life of human children, and will cope with ad hominem attacks and gaslighting in lieu of an actual response. if you think abortion is acceptable you are a piece of shit and I say this as an athiest, not the religious fanatic strawmen you've likely constructed.

>abortion is exactly the same as murdering an innocent and vulnerable person

Not my problem

>russian poster is antipathic to human life
kek

At least I'm not religious schizo incel

Are you shielding yourself from your lack of morals with buzzwords?
>I'm a murderer?
>unleast I'm not a normie!

they should be tried for manslaughter at least! they killed the lives of innocent babies

I support the autonomy of woman to decide what to do with her own body. Simple as. Other shit is out of question.

>I say this as an athiest, not the religious fanatic strawmen you've likely constructed.
you are a retard

>you can't just kill brown people because they have lower IQs

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I'm not religious, and the idea that you have to be religious to value human life is itself immoral and an attempt to "own" moral agency.

Fetus is not a fully developed human so I don't care.

Normal people don't care about this autistic concept of consistency, they understand that things don't actually work that way. We don't have to do everything similar to X just because we do X. It would provide us no benefit.

>human life
i value trees
seeds or fruit aren't trees
fuck off, moralfag

when is someone "fully developed"? at birth? as an adult? maybe when they're an old coot? when they're a corpse? the reality is that there is no such thing as fully developed, we are always developing our entire lives. this is a piss poor argument. maybe I can arbitrarily decide that a 20-year-old is not a fully developed human and therefore killing them is acceptable, or other such unpersoning, because they don't reach a made-up line in your head for what "full" looks like. a human is always fully human their entire lives, whether they're an unborn fetus or an old man it matters not.

Consciousness would help.

and what will a seed eventually develop into? a tree! therefore it is a tree in development, simply at a different time. can I just kill a six year old and say that he wasn't a man and therefore it's okay? you have zero argument, just the same old evil rubbish

>muh heckin consequentalism, 1+2=3 therefore you have to think what I think!
Peak midwit. These philosophies are not iron laws. They are imperfect attempts to depict an aspect of someone's otherwise incomprehensible feelings about morality. They are concepts to be pulled out to make cute talking points, and nothing more. The feelings that we'll never truly understand are the genuine article, the logical concepts are smoke and mirrors. The people who came up with these terms understood this.

we cannot even define consciousness and you think that it matters? every single living thing is "conscious" in that it has an internal sensory experience of reality. there is no inherently superior trait of human consciousness that would make it better than any other animal, but even so, this means nothing in regard to the worth of a life.

>mutt can only resort to rampant egostical solipisism
like pottery

>just the same old evil rubbish
kinda the same fo you
is everything its potential at every time?
a six year old is already human, is it the same to destroy a tree than to destroy a piece of furniture?
you are too retarded to see my argument

You say all this nonsense about "this principle no one actually believes could be taken to absurd lengths and used to commit genocide, therefore it won't work!" like we don't already have a working system around this. You can abort a fetus, you can't legally murder an adult. In America it has been that way for 50 years and no one is trying to change that, either. It doesn't matter if you think that is "heckin illogical", the structure still exists that way. Goes to show how powerful "logic" is.

>is everything its potential at every time?
yes
>a six-year-old is already human
then why not a 1-year-old? or a three-month-old or a 4-week-old fetus?

>midwit can only communicate by throwing out random phrases he learned on wikipedia this week
It's really my fault that I expected better.

>yes
yeah, you are retarded, have a good afternoon

Do you have an actual argument to the claim that human beings are human as soon as they are conceived, and that ending a human life prematurely is the exact same thing as murder? Do you have anything to offer other than petty insults and unearned condescension?

Sorry chud, a woman's right to murder her unborn baby so she can keep having casual sex is more important because of...uh...reasons.

I cannot even begin to make sense of the schizo tier solipsism you've concocted. Egotistical individualist nihilism has rotted your brains like many other Americans.

>Goes to show how powerful "logic" is.
ahahahahaha oh my god this nigga

So you think your "logic" will undo the practical forces in the world simply by virtue of being 'le correct'?

Of course it is, unironically. Unborn fetuses do not matter to our society whatsoever and I challenge you to explain how they do without invoking these "you just have to care, okay!" morals.

>this means nothing in regard to the worth of a life.
Of course it does. Stepping on an ant is not the same as strangling a cat. What I would argue means nothing in regard to the worth of a life is potential. A baby cries, a Fetus doesn't.

Correct.

>Egotistical individualist nihilism has rotted your brains like many other Americans

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The type of person that wants to get an abortion isn't exactly fit to be a parent (at that moment) to begin with. Do you imagine most of these people just being the perfect parents that've been duped into aborting their children by doctors/the media? Do you just want more children with bad lives?

I agree with this and I don't understand why people don't understand this fundamental fact. People who are willing to kill their children should not be forced into raising those children.

>abortion is exactly the same as murdering an innocent and vulnerable person
>if abortion remains legal, so should murdering babies, and anyone else

And? Why shouldn't I be allowed to kill people that piss me off?

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>innocent
I hate this so much. How is this of any relevance? Its just christcuckery mindset. Just because of that I am FOR abortion

Should've just aborted the thread

Abortion being illegal = Women forced to be pregnant and give birth.
Even wanted births can be traumatic and deadly. Imagine how traumatic a FORCED birth is?

Whether or not to carry a pregnancy and give birth should be between a woman and those whose opinions she values, whether that be her pastor, her husband, her doctor, all or none of the above. NOT the GOP.

What's wrong with murdering niggers?

I don't care about women.

Well most people do. And if you "dont care about women" then leave women alone and stop trying to force them to give birth

Moving it here was pretty passive aggressive.