Not trying to start a fight. I just want to understand. Please sell me on Christianity. Not talking about Christian values, or history, or anything like that. I just want to be sold on the theology. Jesus had to die to save us from our sins. And the Old Testament sacrifice of animals and smearing the blood on the altar was the precursor to that. The scapegoat ritual was also a precursor to that, putting all the communities sins on a goat, then killing it and offering the blood to Yahweh. However you dress it up, to me it just sounds like the superstitious blood magic of primitive people once you peel back the layers of theology. There might be good Christian arguments for the existence of God, or man's sinful nature, etc. but when it comes to the core of the teaching, "God needed animal blood to make up for sins, until finally he decided to come down himself and offer his own blood so we wouldn't need to anymore" is close akin to the Aztec "the sun needs blood to keep moving in the sky or the world will end." It's the same ooga-booga monkey people way of thinking. Am I wrong? I'd like to be as gung-ho as half you guys are about muh Crusades and Constantinople and Deus Vult, and I believe there is a God, but I can't get passed the foundation of Christianity seemingly being superstitious desert voodoo.
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Do you have an answer? Or did it make you uncomfortable?
Didn't read but basically, Christ is king. You can not know any truth other than that. In times of extreme demoralization, Chris is king. Evil cannot bring harm to good more than it brings to itself.
Why not Islam? Or Stoicism? or Confucianism? Hell, China is going to be the center of the world anyway in 50 years.
So far you're just confirming that Christianity only appeals to amerimutts and their mestizo cousins.
>Didn't read but basically, Christ is king. You can not know any truth other than that. In times of extreme demoralization, Chris is king. Evil cannot bring harm to good more than it brings to itself.
Why do you need to know all this complex theology? How is that possibly going to help?
Back in ye olden times young royals and nobles would have a whipping boy, who was a friend that would be punished for the prince's transgressions, because you can't actually hit your future lord like that. But what you can do is guilt him into not fucking up again.
That's basically what Christ is. A really cool guy who came into your life and did nothing but good things but then you screwed up and he took the blame for it. Now you have to make up for that, and if you don't care to, you're a shitty person.
What more motivation do you need?
>Why do you need to know all this complex theology? How is that possibly going to help?
S-stop asking questions goy.
Also, I don't get it. I'm not God's lord.
Did God need to drink ox blood in the bronze age, and then drank his own son's blood, and now we're cool? Again, it just seems like nigger magic.
Look up the idea of homo necans. Consider it already a corruption of the original hunter gatherer tradition which emerged to deal with the kinda fuckedy concept behind the human secondary killer instinct derived from the mechanism of male/male sexual competition (as compared to the direct primary killer instinct of most predatory animals). Now corrupt the idea behind all this through cargo cultism originating during the bronze age collapse. There ya got it ...
Thank you for an actual answer, looking it up now.
It’s just Lao Tzu for westerners. Jews did what they always do and plagiarized the Babylonian religion, with a healthy amount of we wuz kangzism. Then when China was trading with Middle East down the Silk Road they heard Lao Tzus philosophical teachings and plagiarized that. “Let he without sun cast the first stone” is actually a quote from Siddhartha Gautama, recorded a good five hundred years before Christ. They just changed the wording to match their sand people faith. They came into contact with apocalyptic philosophy (primarily Norse) and what do you know, they add revelations to the Bible in the fucking 1600s (though it wasn’t put into a public consumption scripture until the late 1800s).
> to me it just sounds like the superstitious blood magic
no, its the consequence of perfect cosmic justice.
If every wrong MUST be righted. If every sin must be forgiven or punished. There must be a scapegoat or everyone is doomed to hell.
Jesus as the sacrificial lamb is a testament that EVEN God must follow the rules of perfect justice.
He took our sins onto him so that we may be forgiven, provided we GENUINELY repent, confess our sins, and ask forgiveness.
>it just seems like nigger magic.
yeah its not for you. Just prepare for hell. Its your best bet honestly.
Now that is interesting. Why do you think Lao Tzu and not Zarathustra?
Also, did they get the Ragnarok/end times thing from the Germanic people or did the Germanics get it from contact with the Christians?
>its the consequence of perfect cosmic justice.
Like the Jews tricking Yahweh by spinning a dead chicken over their head?
lol why do mutts get so angry and defensive?
He was hung upon the solar cross.
Once you begin to understand this you will understand everything.
>Ragnarok/end times thing
Ancient, much older than anything. Gotta appreciate here that after the "end" of the current world through the Ragnarök a new world simply emerges to take the place of the old. Cyclicality, this concept has been mostly lost in the Abrahamistic cargo cult for some reason.
>just pray to this god that sacrificed his firstborn son, just like we do it all the time
Do you want the gnostic version of why Christ is inherently better or do you want the Jewish abridged edition?
Lay them both out.
But does it have to do with voodoo rituals of using blood to appease an angry spirit?
I think both are probable. A lot of the good and evil dichotomy and monotheistic tendencies definitely come from Zoroaster. Zoroaster was in closer proximity as well. However, the Tao is closer to the New Testament expansion. With a healthy mix of Buddhist philosophy and direct plagiarism of several famous quotes from the Buddha and even stories. They all lived at the same time anyway (650-550BC), so maybe they all were the same person, or several philosophers essentially plagiarized each other.
Well, it makes more sense than what these mestizos are trying to hock.
Buy a bible and read the gospels for yourself and if it doesn't sound likely to you, well at least you took a look for yourself. Seriously you can get a bible cheap, if it's for you great welcome aboard and if not well FREEWILL.
You will get haters telling you to not bother and I'm on the other side that wants you to join the flock. But you have to walk your own path.
Thank you for being part of a rational discussion. I think it might only be New World Christians who are retards, it seems.
I have been reading the OT online and have just finished Deuteronomy, and hence my question, since so far like a third for the story has been about what atonement sacrifices to make.