I'm all for the 2nd amendment and understand its importance with respect to overthrowing a tyrannical government, but why can't we have certain changes and restrictions to reduce school shooting rates?
>universal background checks
>ending gun show loophole
>nobody under 21/25 can buy a gun (when cognitive development has finished)
>mental health checks/pre-approval from family members
>improved mental health care access and mandatory mental health check ups for all high school students
Some of this may be expensive, sure, but we already waste so much money, we might as well redirect it to useful things.
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Chase Powell
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Angel Evans
counter argument:
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Wyatt Ramirez
shall not be infringed
Caleb Hall
I agree with this gentelman.
Julian Morales
Prove guns are the problem and not people. I have a very simple experiment that could that.
Gabriel Wood
I vote in favor of this gentleman.
Isaiah King
Because one seven seven six
Isaac Adams
Why send all children to centralized facilities away from the protection of their parents where they have nowhere to run and can be all executed at once by one person?
Jace Anderson
>I'm all for the 2nd amendment and understand its importance with respect to overthrowing a tyrannical government
Are you fucking retarded? That means "overthrowing democracy". That means literally them taking your right to vote so they can institute a rightwing theocracy where you get thrown in prison for:
>being poor (already largely criminalized)
>watching porn
>playing video games
>smoking pot (already illegal thanks to them)
>sex outside marriage
>abortions
>being a democrat
>disagreeing with them in any way
>looking at a cop even remotely wrong #BackTheBlue
>"sinning"
>not being christian or believing in any non christian religion
And much more. That's their idea of "non tyrannical government". Fuck you OP, these people are indefensible. They don't give a fuck about "freedumb" and they ARE the tyranny
But don't worry, businesses will have all the rights in the world in their christian dystopia to screw you over and exploit you
Parker Gutierrez
Free speech shouldn't be infringed either but we still have logical restrictions on it that improve society's safety and well-being (e.g. you can't shout "Fire!" in a crowded space when there isn't one, you can't defame people, etc.).
Bentley Rogers
Oh yea and homosexuality can't believe I forgot that one. They already criminalized homosexuality in this country and the laws are still on the books but unenforceable due to liberal justices that were on the supreme court. Thank god. Imagine how shortly those will be overturned
Isaiah Smith
All those restrictions would make us less safe, because guns save lives
John Ross
>ending gun show loophole
literally no such thing exists
Jason Reed
The kraut is winning this debate so far.
Hunter James
>Unconditional repeal of the National Firearms Act
>Unconditional repeal of the Gun Control Act of 1968
>Unconditional repeal of the Gun-Free School Zones Act
>The complete text of the Militia Act of 1903 displayed in all federal courthouses
Let's start with that.
Thomas Carter
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Leo Reyes
>>universal background checks
Would not have prevented Uvalde (he didn't have a record).
>>ending gun show loophole
Literally does not exist. Any licensed gun dealer checks you. Also would not have prevented Uvalde.
>>nobody under 21/25 can buy a gun (when cognitive development has finished)
Because 18 year olds are adults with the same 2A rights as any other adult. Any way, this might have prevented Uvalde, but likely only would have delayed it. (Cartel town, guns easily accessible on the streets.)
>>mental health checks/pre-approval from family members
Mental health checks would be far too easy to abuse depriving Americans of their rights without due process. At the same time, they would be simple to evade. Also: your rights are not subject to family member approval. Slim chance this would have prevented Uvalde as until that morning his grandparents apparently didn't have a problem with him.
>>improved mental health care access
Agreed. U.S. healthcare in general is a travesty.
>and mandatory mental health check ups for all high school students
Mandatory? No. Far too easy to abuse, too much potential for misdiagnosis leading to problems where there were none.
Noah Rivera
So it sounds like you want:
>A national firearms registry (can't keep track of illegal immigrants, but can definitely keep track of guns KEK)
>The ability for any lunatic family member or tranny psychologist to permanently deny you your rights
>Banning people with genuine mental health issues from owning guns even if they're no danger at all to anybody
>Creating a state-funded pipeline for kids to be turned into SSRI-addicted trannies through school "mental health care"
Yeah, sounds great, you fucking idiot.
Grayson Moore
Deport the jews, niggers, spics and micks and it'll be the same as any Western European country.
Aiden Fisher
because school shootings aren't caused by the 2nd amendment or a lack of regulations. people wish to harm and kill others for other reasons.
Grayson Howard
>(he didn't have a record)
He was institutionalized for a few months.
Matthew Martinez
None of what you say will do anything to stop school shootings. There were far fewer school shootings when kids were allowed to bring their guns to school for their shooting classes.
Brayden Murphy
That's not a criminal record. If you treat it like one (hurr you were institutionalized no rights 4u) then people who need help won't get it.
Ryder Phillips
>>universal background checks
already have this.
>>ending gun show loophole
freedom is not a loophole.
>>nobody under 21/25 can buy a gun (when cognitive development has finished)
just make legal adulthood 21/25 then, for all things.
>>mental health checks/pre-approval from family members
no this historically is always abused.
>>improved mental health care access and mandatory mental health check ups for all high school students
again, you enter the realm of "he doesn't believe the tranny is a real woman he is crazy no gun for you". terrible fucking idea and you know it. and that is also a major point, you know this, you just want more power over people, you don't care about kids or rights or anything else that doesn't serve your agenda.
Isaiah Russell
You can shout fire in a crowded space, just have to be a part of antifa.
Dylan Watson
If this was grounds to disarm people got would cause far more harm than you prevent.
Mentally ill people are way more likely to be victims of violent crime.
Levi Long
Honestly these are some fair points. It's just that the problem has gotten so bad and I'm trying to think of reasonable solutions that don't involve trying to end gun rights. What are some of you guys' ideas? I think the problem stems from American people having shitty mental health/quality of life in some ways but I don't know what specific reforms would best target that.
Benjamin Reyes
>If this was grounds to disarm people you* would cause far more harm than you prevent.
Bentley Watson
Whatever, he obviously didn't get it, or even want it. You can blame the system, or him. I think he was a crazy physco.
Tyler Rogers
> That guy who shot up that school thought he was getting orders from the devil!
> He was a diagnosed schizzophrenic!!
> We should just take guns away from crazy people!!!!
> He's crazy, he thinks that the vaccines are not only unsafe and used as a tool by a global elite to thin the herd by culling billions over the next few decades!!!!!!
THAT is why. Fuck your mental health checks.
John Roberts
>It's just that the problem has gotten so bad
Relax, that's all propaganda
William Nguyen
I think everyone here agrees with this man so far
Camden Rodriguez
>but,
Charles Reyes
(((who))) would be doing those mental checks user? what would be the definition of sanity? what authority would warrant and confirm it?
tl;dr no to all of the above