What decides if something is right or wrong? Like even if there is a god...

What decides if something is right or wrong? Like even if there is a god, how is it not just his opinion of what he likes? How is it not all just what people like?

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Do u feel bad when u do a bad bad if so maybe it not good

So ted bundy wasn't wrong, it's just how you feel about it, based sir.

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Brainlet. So if someone likes murder that means it's ok? See how dumb you sound. There must be absolute morals from God. It's his creation, his rules . Read the 10 commandments.

my ass

God created the universe and everything in it in a way that embodies moral truths
For instance we can see that buttsex is bad because butts are full of literal human shit and fags have to wear diapers and get ass cancer.
God spells it out in the Bible for us just in case reality itself wasn't clear enough.
Unfortunately many atheists/leftists/jews/etc have trouble accepting this idea and instead try to disingenuously claim that morality is arbitrary or that people can invent their own morals as an excuse to anally rape children.

"Murder" implies wrongful killing and is self-referential. You have to determine what distinguishes wrongful from rightful killing.

>What decides if something is right or wrong?
Since you asked, I'll tell you.

The difference between Right and Wrong is objective knowledge; it CAN be determined.
Rights are correct actions which do not initiate harm, or violence, toward others.
Wrongs are incorrect actions which intentionally initiate harm or violence against others.
Call it Natural Law, Karma, God's Law, the Law of the Universe, the Golden Rule, whatever; they're all the same thing.

Basically, you are morally justified in doing anything that does not violate the Rights of others.

The stuff that makes me feel guilty is the stuff that I dont like happening in the first place. Like if I get drunk and make fun of someone, i feel guilty because i dont like the thought of it happening.

Let me tell you something, user. Once you comprehend it, you'll never forget it.
Every form of belief in one God stems from ritual child sacrifice. All the monotheisms revere the same man as their patriarch and revere him for attempted to murder his own son. What does that tell you about "God?"
It is de facto devil worship, because worshipping one person as the creator of everything means worshipping the creator of all evil. If you're going to worship the devil, you need to restrain him somehow. You need something in return. That's why Jews, the inventor of this belief system, had a "covenant," which they sign with the blood of their own children in the brutal act of genital cutting.
These are the people who claim to tell you what is right and wrong. I think you know, at the very least, that monotheism is evil.

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People murder in war time and get metals for it. I murdered the spinder in my shower this morning becuase it looked ugly and feel no guilt. How would that not be gods selfish desires that he doesn't like someone wrecking his creation with murder.

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>People murder in war time and get metals for it.
War is never ethical.
Killing in self-defense is ethical, however.
If someone violates your Rights by trying to steal your life, you are morally justified in killing that person in self-defense.

So morals are just doing what god happens to like?

What makes something a "correct action"?

Abraham was the begining of the end of sacraficing the young for the old. The old are now supposed to sacrafice for their offspring, not the other way around as in the case of abortion. Which kills innocence in the name of hedonism.

Correct action is any act that does not initiate violence against others.
No person has the "right" to harm other people.
No person has the "right" to own another person.
No person has the "right" to force their will upon another person.
These are Wrong actions, and are immoral.

Feeling, that's how most decisions are made unfortunately.

A communist atheist or a follower of Jacque derida or another retard philosophy will say "anything can be anything good or bad, matter of perspective" blah blah blah "community laws, social norms, upbringing" blah blah blah

The truth is most things aren't good or bad but similar bad/good or neither. For things that are bad, we as humans were given the intellectual capacity to determine good and bad through reason, emotion response, and conscious. some people were not unfortunately capable, but we the remaining with our wisdom must make value statements of good and bad. Some things should be self evident as wrong because of the visceral response our body's give like rape, murder, etc... But for things that you don't know here's the best bet.

Assume all human life is sacred. Is what I am doing going to without reason harm, unjustly shame, disrespect the life of, or bring into harms way to the dignity of the sanctity of myself or another person.

If you look at everyone as a gift then this is easy.

And what actually decides something is wrong just cuz it hurt someone? And why is there a need to justify an action?

I dont personally like the idea of child sacrafice, but what makes it specifically wrong for god that he couldnt do it?

False morality leads to self destruction and death. Eternal life and eternal death are the dividing line between good and evil.

Are you "morally justified" if you kill em when you coulda just knocked them out cold instead?

>what actually decides something is wrong just cuz it hurt someone?
If you accidentally hurt someone, that's not an immoral act, obviously.
Immorality is INTENTIONALLY harming others, whether it be through deception, theft, violation of their bodily autonomy, or murder.

Think of it this way:
Does anyone have a "right" to steal from you?
No, of course not.
Therefore that action is NOT Right; it is Wrong.

Who gives these rights?

>Are you "morally justified" if you kill em when you coulda just knocked them out cold instead?
Yes, 100%.
If a person tries to murder you, it is your RIGHT to practice self-defense, by any means necessary.
A person who tries to harm others automatically forfeits their life.
Or to put it another way, by violating the Rights of others, that person has forfeited their own Rights.

Why couldn't something be sacred, but you still destroy it? Why would that be the wrong choice to choose?

I do. I'm a moral man

Where did you learn that from? And is there proof?

Children were required to sacrifice their immune systems and get vaxxed in order to protect adults.
Flesh from infant circumcisions go to make skin creams for aging female celebrities.
You say Abraham was the beginning of the end, but these practices are growing.

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It's true by definition. It is how jesus explains humanity's relationship to good and evil in the bible.

>Who gives these rights?
These Rights are inherent to all sentient beings.
Sentient beings CAN determine the difference between Right and Wrong, and are therefore bound to take Right action.
This is the foundation of Natural Law, which is the science of morality.
Animals are not bound by Natural Law, because they can not understand the difference between Right and Wrong.

>I can't decide whether if killing an innocent animal is right or wrong
end your life nigger

Some things lead to life. others to death

a question for the child

Realize God is farming us and you'll see how you're asking the wrong question.

I mean harming them might do something good for me in which case them not being harmed might be stopping me from something good. So its down to choosing who looses, why would it be the bad choice for them loosing out?

Happiness good
Suffering bad
Simple as

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Gosh, it’s almost like we need, I dunno, institutions that embrace and embody underlying principles and have rule of law.

>hedonism
yuck

I mean.. Why though? If its bad for them to do to you whys it not bad to do to them?

>You say Abraham was the beginning of the end, but these practices are growing.

Yes these are all very wrong and they are growing, yet we can only control ourselves and offer our guidance and knowledge to others, as information is infinitely repeatable. If they know the truth they'll stop.
If they know and continue, they're wilfully evil and the children should be saved. I don't know the percise method.

Kinda what im sayin

>Like even if there is a god, how is it not just his opinion of what he likes?
congratulations for thinking above the level of the average retard npc
never heard a good response to this from the people who insist that true morality can only come from god
they don't realize that it's just might makes right on the ultimate scale
the most powerful being decides morality because he has the most ability to enforce his arbitrary morality

>yuck
Not an argument

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