Morning all, thread for discussing Peak Oil and what it means for industrial civilisation.
What is Peak Oil? >It is the maximum oil produced so far and marks the beginning of net energy descent when no further profitable production is possible.
What's the Net Energy Principle? >Energy “resources” must produce more energy than they consume, otherwise they are called “sinks.” (Jay Hanson, Dieoff.com)
What's the Seneca Effect? >Growth is gradual but ruin is rapid -- based on the Roman philosopher Seneca, energy production along with civilisations follow their own Seneca Effect and rapidly simplify. (Ugo Bardi, the Seneca Effect)
What is Collapse? >The abrupt simplification of society. (Joseph Tainter, the Collapse of Complex Societies)
What about Alternatives? >They must provide higher Energy Return On Energy Investment (EROEI) to support a civilisation, at least 4:1 (energyskeptic.com).
How can those who created these problems be expected to resolve them?
Not only is that not posible, but its not moral.
That's thr most important part of the solution. If that's not dealt with Civilization is gone gone, and noone gets to keep shit all, everything harvested, stone age and firepits for all left! Again! :D
Oliver Parker
>nuclear facilities >oil is being generated faster than it we currently pump it out of earth
plus this project in this image is unbelievably stupid it might work but would require endless resources and management better finally get the zero-point energy stuff but we have to take power for that first
Cameron Price
Enough For A Thousand Years™ "The greatest shortcoming of humanity is the inability to understand the exponential function" -- Albert Bartlett, Arithmetic, Population & Energy
Duncan's Olduvai Theory seems real, industrial civilisation on a hundred or so year window of opportunity to GTFO or be imploded by rising energy costs on energy use.
As impenetrable as the firmament keeping humans from investing their collective IQ points into long term energy projects
Evan Hernandez
Beaming to earth like that seems like it will really heat shit up.
Lucas Thompson
Why care about long term at all, just eat ze bug, own nothing, be happy user.
Ryan Roberts
Possibly if it really scaled up but that would be for when imminent energy crunch wasn't about to kneecap industrial civilisation permanently. Tom Murphy did a cool post on that, Galactic-Scale Energy. dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy/
Then I believe civilisation would just follow the energy source and Earth would be an outpost, can make better use of available mass if the majority of it is not beneath your feet on a gravitational body
Oil is Abiogenic and comes from Carbanaceous Chrondrite meteorites. So does all Earths water.
Justin Parker
Imagine not thinking at all. What a waste of neurons.
Aiden Evans
That's not much help if you're in a desert and you can't get to it.
Nolan Adams
>imagine thinking for others instead of thinking for you're self earth is over populated, get over it less than 500 million in harmony with nature
Landon Russell
I don't know anything about nuclear power production, so perhaps this is a thing already, or a part of it...
But given plants can be a problem and a safety concern is it possible to build them underground somehow!
Obviously venting ect, but to insulate them in layers around underground, with soil externaly to ensure in case of accidents it is neutrilized quicker the vawe, and inbt the plant and soil fully isolated ciment and rings that can move to ensure firdt overflow is captures, and do the same concreet around the soil as well to ensure in case first inground concreet basen breaks the soil neutrilizes somewhat the shock and overflos is caprtured by surrounding concreet and else basin, in addition to modernizing quick fume neutralisation aspects, in terms of capturing them and moving them quickly enough not to cause further explosions while the production is halted and subsecuent effects calm!
I don't think I know what I am talking about! lol
Camden Taylor
Qatar drilled a 47,000 foot hole and has abiogenic oil from the same rig that drilled the Kola borehole.
Juan Jackson
Leave room for nature. Leave room for nature.
Easton Thompson
Ah okay, we're on the same page moreorless. Yes I agree,
Hard to follow, but overall nuclear fission has a finite resource base with current designs which take many years to create and also don't replace oil which is current used for mass transport and infrastructure, and alternatives will not catch the shortfall because we're just too many people mopping up too little reserves
