Evening all, thread for discussing Peak Oil and what it means for industrial civilisation.
What is Peak Oil? >It is the maximum oil produced so far and marks the beginning of net energy descent when no further profitable production is possible.
What's the Net Energy Principle? >Energy “resources” must produce more energy than they consume, otherwise they are called “sinks.” (Jay Hanson, Dieoff.com)
What's the Seneca Effect? >Growth is gradual but ruin is rapid -- based on the Roman philosopher Seneca, energy production along with civilisations follow their own Seneca Effect and rapidly simplify. (Ugo Bardi, the Seneca Effect)
What is Collapse? >The abrupt simplification of society. (Joseph Tainter, the Collapse of Complex Societies)
What about Alternatives? >They must provide higher Energy Return On Energy Investment (EROEI) to support a civilisation, at least 4:1 (energyskeptic.com).
Abiotic oil is a myth. Seriously. We're supposed to believe that the same life cycle that transformed dinosaurs into light sweet crude oil isn't still happening?
Aaron Jackson
Correct. Abiotic is a myth. Even if true it is a red herring because you use it faster than it regenerates just like Easter Island ran out of trees.
>What is Peak Oil? Its a ruse to get the sheeple to get on board with the green agenda - Oil regenerates underground. Its never-ending.
Kayden Thompson
>Abiotic oil is a myth pretty sure you meant to say the opposite but you're unintentionally correct. it's not even really a myth though - sometimes smart people believe myths.
it's really more like flat earth "theory"
Camden Turner
There must have been billions and billions of dinosaurs then.
I know mantle methane is a thing, I think? Then perhaps some pressure cooking to increase the hydrocarbon chain length. It would be great if true, then Olduvai theory would be wrong in that it becomes impossible to restart industrial civilisation once all the surface cheap ores and energy are depleted.
Abiotic means not generated by living things. I said what I meant. A few years ago I was digging on this topic. Found an article about a well in Texas which hadn't produced in 60 years. Some oil company bought it and fired up the rig to test the equipment. Lo and behold, oil started pumping. They were laughing all the way to the bank. I went back to the article a few days later and it was memory holed. I should have fucken archived it. BAKA
Brandon Russell
then why are we still drilling offshore, which costs about 1000x as much? west texas has literally thousands of wells that haven't been pumped in 50 years.
your retarded theory doesn't stand up to even the slightest whiff of critical scrutiny. it's flat earth level retarded, and so are you.
Lincoln Phillips
There is evidence of abiotic methane but it is the exception. Isotope ratios are consistent with biotic origin 99% or the time. Exceptions afaik are a single Japanese report and a couple of Russian. No production from any of these wells. No evidence of abiotic oil.
Cooper Jones
It's a conspiracy ™ types thinking this is a osyop. Such a good psyop nobody is speaking about it.
Ah isotopes, sort of makes sense. Any further details on that? Carbon isotopes?Are they heavier isotopes or lighter than would the case with geological origin?
Angel King
In most oil fields primary production rarely reaches 60% of the total in the ground. If you wait a few years some of the wells 'level out' but this will be secondary production. Also possible they could have fracked the existing wells. Or they may have gone over to stripper wells.
Story is unlikely though. Texas law requires oil wells to be plugged if they cease production for two years.
they replaced it with "Global Warming" it's basically a way of framing peak oil so they can control the narrative
>no we're not running out of oil, you're just making the planet too hot and that's why you can't use it
Austin Gonzalez
Lighter than geologic. Certain types of rock (serpentines etc.) under lab condition involving heat and pressure break down into hydrocarbon chains identical to petroleum. Not clear if this can happen in the ground however. Temps & pressures increase as you go deeper in the Earth but it is not clear if they line up to produce this result.
Asher Gonzalez
I may not have remembered everything correctly either. I'm off my brain meds. Demand is still increasing. If it takes around 60 years for secondary production to come online it makes sense to keep exploring. No memory of the quality of oil in the old well. In any case I think revisiting old wells is a viable strategy, even if it means drilling again.
Nolan Clark
Global warming is real too ya know. Can't just aerosolise a shit load of carbon that was buried under ground for millions of years into the atmosphere and oceans and not expect it to have an effect. Narratives are a half-truth at best and only deal with political factors.
