EV batteries are no good!

im gonna assume the numbers are bullshit, because the numbers add up to like 85,000, but i get the point. though you have to understand soil is heavy, and a normal loader can move like 20 tons, so it's really not a whole lot of earth.

also, im glad we're getting this out of the way now so we dont cut off our feet later down the line when normies realize theres not enough material on earth to get everyone an electric vehicle

Outrageously retarded if any of you morons believe that it takes a half a million pounds of earth crust to make one battery a battery cost $100 the heavy equipment needed to process a half a million pounds blasting & the manpower heavy equipment the diesel fuel would be hundreds of thousands of dollars you’re telling me that they’re losing hundred thousand dollars to make $100 battery how retarded are these people on Reddit

All this shit probably happens because some senator's son is the head chief of Big Lithium or Big Cobalt or some shit and he's making boatloads of money. If this country really gave a fuck about the environment, they'd build small town interurbans and high speed rail. Trash lines the highways around here.

where does the majority of energy to the grid to charge EVs come from? what portion of carbon emissions are emitted from cars vs. shipping traffic?

they don't, no one talks about the cost of creating clean energy alternatives or Electric Vehicles.

I once brought up the energy and materials alone to create one windturbine to someone very pro Green Energy, and they seemed shocked.

the concrete base alone is massive, buried under ground but massive still, the steel and electronics needed, the batteries, since these things don't just run to a fucking grid, all of it.

a Windturbine, in its lifetime, before you replace the blades, which have to be buried themselves, will never recoup the total energy required to make them with "dirty energy".

thus is it true for almost all of the Green sources, the diesel engines or other processes use to create them, such as say, Solar Panels, is immense.

just think what goes into the creation of a single solar panel, how much mining, smelting, ect ect ect.

ALL of it exists to create industries for wealthy people, and incidentially make costal liberals and leftists feel good about themselves.

a VERY VERY complex system of turning materials into money, a conveyor belt of profit, nothing more.

The Mining for EV causes more pollutants than just having a regular vehicle ironically.

>30klbs ore for cobalt
>5klbs ore for nickel
>25klbs ore for copper
so take them all from the same 30klbs ore

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They're not losing anything, because they're making third-worlders dig it all up. What's wrong with you to where you don't understand how this works yet?

solving one problem at a time. people like you would rather not solve anything. we will make the transition to a fully fission-powered grid and from that we can run carbon-neutral charging for EV.

all the things that go into making one do, and the electricity used to power it come from coal plants.

all of this just creates even more emmissions, the more you transfer energy to make things, or power things, the more you lose in the process.

EV's are just the next step in inefficiency,

Excess unprocessed earth.

youre not as retarded as youre trying to be. i know theres some exploration into like these nodules that form on the bottom of the ocean in some places that mainly contain nickel and colbat

>How will redditors justify the environmental impact that lithium batteries have?
By pointing out that your source is a conservative think-tank known to be corporate shills for fracking. That think tank has no scientific background and is well-known for distorting information.

these are the same faggots that say we should stop eating beef, because they're worried the cows are gonna eat too much grass n sheet.

Overburden. The dirt surrounding the minerals.

CO2 is not a pollutant

Asteroids are just mostly rock and Iron, with trace elements, the energy required to mine and send the materials to earth would outweight the gain.

yes it is

Is 500 tons of material supposed to be a lot? What mind numbing burger-tier retardation are you trying to communicate?
Why just flat out lie?
You lose half the energy when you make the hydrogen. Fine if you have plenty like if you retards used working power generation like nuclear.

>a battery cost $100
fifteen to fifty times that

Dirt. These elements are scattered withib dirt.

>How will redditors justify the environmental impact that lithium batteries have?
They won't. They just do as they are told. 10-20 years from now they'll be told this is the new environmental threat and they'll start finger wagging at anyone that disagrees that "new-thing is good" while "old-thing is bad".

3 needles = saturn

Lithium mining is incredibly inefficient to scale.

the child in me wants to fill those up with water somehow

Oh no all that precious brine!
Literally salt and water, 100% recyclable.

Hi retard
so the heavy equipment that is necessary to do this work that’s free?
the plant that crush up the or that’s free? you are a brain dead retard get out of your poor mother‘s basement she’s already raised you as best she can get out and push the carriage and pick up the cans

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>500 tons of material
per battery you fucking moron. yes it is a lot.

No it isn't.

>a battery cost $100
Dude, a battery for an electric bicycle costs upwards of $500.
Even cheap chinese made low end ones cost $150 and higher.
In what universe does an electric car battery cost less than that?

>$100

Lmao get fucked. Right now it costs roughly $140 per kwh of capacity for lithium-ion batteries. A 60kwh battery is $8,400. Plus the cost for the mounting, integration and safety systems.

this is the truth of the matter, all todays modern problems are born from nepotism towards some idiots cousin, or son, or whatever.

the Boomer way was nepotism, it seeded them into every position of power and every industry, without any qualification of excellence to lead it, now we are feeling the rot of this method.

Nepotism is the enemy of progress.

We barely scratched the surface on space travel, let alone space mining.

id rather buy the property, install an evil lair in the base, and fight off nato forces trying to stop me

Good thing 250 tons an hour ain't shit for conveyors and processing facilities.

i'm all for expanding fission based power sources as a whole. next gen reactor designs are amazing and they could be mass produced, but we can't have nice things.

all i'm saying is that the costs don't really justify what you're getting out of it. spend that time developing carbon-capture tech instead.

this, predditors have infinity smugness, they sold their souls to satan for smugness and internet points and satan won't let them down because if he does they might consider nigging on their side of the deal and worshiping Christ out of spite

>500 tons
Do you really think that's 500,000lbs?

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>replacing an already road worthy car with another produces ZERO pollutants.

This is how retarded you are.

The people buying these EVs to virtue signal are shuffling through a new car every 24 to 36 months on lease, surely that is better for the environment than someone driving a Honda Civic for 300k miles :)

Nimby

but it isn't a solution, by the time we have that, Electrics Vehicles will be obsolete, the entire thing was a money scam to begin with, afterall.

when Joe fucking Biden is pushing it, rest assured alot of people in the "in" crowd are about to make a fuck ton of money.

>the energy required to mine and send the materials to earth would outweight the gain.
Which is why we need to invest. I 100% believe that if there was a general agreement amongst ALL top scientist in the world to work together to achieve this it will 100% be accomplished because that's where humans exceed. Instead of leaving to one nation to do everything, get all the top mutts, germans, russians, chinese, japanese, canadian scientist to work on it and I bet we will reach the goal with efficiency.

They'll blame White people. As usual.

What fucking threat you mindless shithead? The threat of using abundant materials that exist in the ground literally anywhere on the planet you dig?
Why do you think that you mindless golem? You just say things. As if you're completely incapable of forming a single thought.
Processing 500 tons of earth made a 500 kg battery. What the fuck do you think is unreasonable about that?

>mine the required material and process it nearby, ruining wildlife and fertile land in a massive radius
>liberals feel happy because they don't ruin their own environment and listened to [media celebrity/ feelgood tv showhost]
>pockets are well lined up, the money of course leaves USA/EU country to be stored in tax havens, lowering money circulation
>any actual potential for actually renewable and environmentally sustainable energy is dealt with, either by destroying it, or buying it out
Guess I'm glad I'll be dead before the effects of this start popping up, expect even more immigrants though, why would someone live in a poisonous environment when they can emigrate to a clean one.

It’s one Hundred dollars for a battery
It’s just the way it is Kiddo!
Don’t push me!!!

What do you think they dig up all that earth with? Do you think this thing runs on electricity?
What a low effort bait.

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The planet was slowly becoming a lifeless snowball because there wasn't enough CO2. What you have thought of as 'normal' is a mere blip of an interglacial period. Now perhaps plants will thrive for another million years.

>MY INTENTIONS WERE GOOD
You should unironically kill yourself you worthless scum

poor Earth

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right, lead acid batteries are used for 200$ scooters. if you wanted to scale up a scooter into a slow car that can't go up hills you could buy some car batteries 1 car battery ~ 1 hp * 1 hour

Space Mining is a hundred years away, if not more.

its incredibly impossible inefficent with even theoretical methods, let alone what hodgepodge shit we could do today.

Weight is an impossible issue to overcome with what we can even dream of tech wise.

>the energy required to mine and send the materials to earth would outweight the gain
Only if you conflate energy with expensive fossil fuels like the useless burger golem you are.

you can't get 10 people in a room to agree on anything, so how is that remotely feasible?

whats an "EV battery" though?

elon musk knew about coronavirus but he chose not to warn you while your friends and family were poisoned. thats how they'll reduce carbon emissions. anything else is cope.

Gonaa want to send the little niggers into space for your mining operation. Keep the cost down as they weigh less = less rocket propellant. Just leave them there too, no point in bringing them back. You probably can get a single new iphone for each kid. Good on you and your technology.

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You fucken Cunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

going into space to mine iron, at a higher cost (exponentially) than just doing it here, is retarded.

until we start fucking running low on one of the most prevalent elements on the planet we can worry about "Space mining" later.

stop thirsting for your dystpoic sci-fi future, if we were even close to being able to mine in space, even in a hundred years from now, we'd be far more advanced than we are, we are a dozen life times away with how our tech sector has rotted.

its not, the enemy of humanity is academia. cousins and nephews aren't necessarily atheists, fornicationists, transhumanists. academics are. 100% of professors agree that picrel is a professor

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A car battery costs $10-40,000. That price would be worth for a phone battery

We aren't talking about the battery in your gasoline car. This is about the big, heavy battery systems in electric cars. Whole other level.

energy is energy, even theoretical methods of tech and energy usage wouldn't suddenly make Iron weight less.

whats the gain from sending people into space and mining Iron in space.. rather than doing it here?

>if there was a general agreement amongst ALL top scientist in the world to work together to achieve this it will 100% be accomplished
science genie: ok, but "this" is replaced with kids getting chopped

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If we killed all the niggers we would have less C02

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In space, no one can hear you kvetch.

We already have one mexico

ok cite the exact numbers you are working with then bro. HOW MUCH do they pay to run that machine, huh? HOW MUCH do they pay the workers, all of them added up. since you apparently have this info id love to know the full picture here just like you

OH
Never mind

Co-founder of the Manhattan Institute here. I was a former CIA director, worked under the Nixon administration, was implicated in the Iran-Contra affair, and an attorney that worked under counsel for places like Bank of America. I assure you the Manhattan Institute has zero special interests and is only looking out for you, yes you, personally. Please ignore the political campaigning of current president of the institute, the venerable Reihan Salam, who has absolutely ZERO interest in promoting the use of natural gas. God bless and good day.

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Hehe

Same problem with EVs, no way to transport that energy.
Hydrocarbons are just OP.

literalu just use nuclear to power molecular asembly. boom... now you can turn hydrogen into literaly anything.
at that point you could 3d print a whole ass chicken diner, or even a fucking space ship if you were so inclined.

>whats the gain
Resources. What is wrong with you retards? Are you all pretending?
>even theoretical methods of tech and energy usage wouldn't suddenly make Iron weight less.
Am I supposed to take this statement seriously and actually engage with it as if you're a sincere thinking person capable of saying anything on any subject?

>. i know theres some exploration into like these nodules that form on the bottom of the ocean
All the guys that threw car batteries in the ocean were recycling all along!

>Hydrogen
>If you have enough
>Hydrogen
Ask me how I know you're dumb.

going into space to mine elements would only be profitable if you were to get a whole ass chunk of something really, really exotic.
like, for example, if you brought back over a thousand pounds of pure ass enriched uranium or something. or maybe even platinum or something.
and at that point why even bring it to a planet? just send it to a ship yard in orbit for automated manufacturing, and therfore sqve a shit ton of money by not having to break free from earth every trip.

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