We actually DON'T need do take Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol or Chernihiv

>we actually DON'T need do take Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol or Chernihiv

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>liberation of dombass
But the Ukies hadn't even touched the soviet larp states before the Russians invaded.
What the FUCK is this war?

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Putin being a fucking moron and trying to flex to NATO.
Now watch as the Russians try to offload Crimea because they realize how much it will cost to keep sustained.

>Ukraine will hold a referendum on the deal
what if they universally want to join NATO

OH NO NO NO NO NO!
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

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So that's going to be the end of it? No complete routing of the Russian forces? No sacking of Sevastapol? No push inside Russia? No liberation of Belarus?
L A M E

Last time I remember 86% of Ukrainians were against a ceasefire
I'd imagine nothing will come of this but a diplomatic victory for Ukraine that no amount of busted kneecaps can counter. And a continuation of hostilities.

Mariupol is in Donbass though, and Russia seems determined to keep besieging that city.

Zelensky is aware of the risks of a larger conflict, that's why he's making these offers.
However, you're right, the Ukrainians will in the end decide, and they don't want to concede.

>many young Russian single children died only to return to status quo.
Feels bad for their mothers to be fair. I hope they lynch Putin but he'll probably spin it as some grand victory.

I'm imagining all of the economic sanctions will still remain in place regardless of what ceasefire terms are implemented. Crimea will therefore return when Russia pulls a USSR 2.0 and collapses economically.

All Russian mothers are currently in prison.

Russians are brainwashed enough that they'll think of this as an actual Russian victory

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The Russian people are the most servile pieces of shit who have ever existed, they'll swallow anything, and yes, be perfectly fine with their sons becoming food for stray Ukrainian dogs, if it means Mother Russia "wins" a war and shows those pesky westerners what's what. If a revolt is to topple Putin then it will happen as a palace-coup among the Boyars. The people would simply go along with the victor mindlessly.

Right now the Russian economy is bleeding out and the Uks can inflict massive damage on fleeing forces. Zelensky should slow walk this. The longer he waits, the better his position.

when is the referendum, has a date been decided?

Aside from the meme coping I can't tell if it's bad for Russia or Ukraine. They'll have more troops in a smaller area which can go either way

He is taking it slow, the referendum will be held later after russians have been routed and crimea retaken lmao

Where is the Zhasam poster?

>Zelensky and chimplet meet face to face
Can human facial anatomy even sustain the smugness Zelensky would feel if this came to pass?
The vatniks came in with a 10:1 advantage and got their dicks stomped off so badly that the chimplet has to sue for peace.

There is also the thing about any deal being made when Russia pulls back to pre-23rd of February lines.
At best we might get another ceasefire, but unless Ukraine hasn't learnt anything from the past, they won't let Russia regain it's strength. And neither would Russia let Ukraine mass more troops for a counterattack.

Used to be that Ukraine had to hold back from actually mounting an offensive on the Donbass as they feared it would ignite a real war with Russia, so it ended up as relatively static trench warfare, which admittedly, served as the ideal place to give their military live training. Now there is open war, so no need to hold back, and the Russians have probably spent much of their local support among the separatists, conscripting kids and seniors alike and throwing them into battle as cannon fodder. Besides, didn't Ukraine end up within sight of Luhansk like two weeks ago?

God I hope they get kicked out of Donbas kicking and screaming.

>Zelensky should slow walk this. The longer he waits, the better his position.
Yeah i hope that's the case here.

Remember that video when Putin forced the previous Ukrainian President to give him a handshake just right after he annexed Crimea? Zelensky should do the same thing to him as a reversal lmao.

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Well first they would need an actual term of surrender, then God knows how long it would take to take the vote.

> russia spins it as grand victory over the west
> russian people drink it up like semen and use it as infallible debate material for the next century
Russians about to get 20% more insufferable, comrades.

>can join EU

Great way to start a war that trips EU, but not NATO article 5 in the future, making US involvement a war of choice minimum, and aggressor maximum. Otherwise sounds reasonable, except the military buildup around the breakaway regions for what was a de jure internal dispute wasn't grounds for the special invasion in international law terms.

Moscow just gave the perfect cover and out for the Western banker complex and their 'reset' when they were on their heels in Yellow Vests on crack with coof protests, like the Truckers in Canada/US. "Energy austerity that breaks the German-Russian relations? Yeah, we'll totally do the ruble thing." Russia demonstrating its junior partner status to Beijing isn't good in general, either.

I never want to hear about Russian "toughness" ever again. Putin is pathetic.

I like this newspeak. Instead of phrases like ‘abysmal failure’ and ‘desperate retreat’ and words like ‘catastrophe’ and ‘defeat’ we will now have ‘phases.’ I wonder how many ‘phases’ we’ll see before they find Putin’s mutilated corpse outside of the Kremlin with a banana shoved in every hole.

France and possibly Germany will veto the fuck out of them joining the EU from now on

>I was only pretending to be retarded.

As far as I know they don't control much of the Dumbass region, just the city states. So I think the idea they want more of a buffer and really need to keep Kherson under control so they can secure the water supply to Crimea. Same with "taking" Mariupol so they have a stable landbridge into Crimea.

God I've grown to hate France so much during these last few years.
If everyone thought Germany was the cucked one, they've at least regained some nuts with this conflict. Macron on the other hand still lives in some la la land where he can keep selling tank sights to russhits and shit on anglos while doing nothing but talk.

>russia generously halts advance during peace talks
>takes that time to regroup for another advance
>reject any ukrainan offer that isn't surrender
>"haha sorry guys we tried but we just have to keep going lol"
>advance fails again
>repeat
this has happened like 3 times now

>a referendum during martial law

lmao ok

They said that day 1 though

the funniest part is
>after one week everyone knew it's going to end up like that
>Russia is still going to spin this massive humiliation as a win and vatniks will really believe this

Source?

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Oh no the coping has already begun

BASED

Imagine if they don't actually take Mariupol after 5 weeks of siege.

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Referendum will be held only after troops withdrawal, that's the demand. There is only two ways to change constitution referendum is the fast one the other way takes a year.

Would you shoot a Russian on fire or just let him cook?

Thank you Uncle Sammy and Erdogan.

The Z-niggers are seething so hard in their chats right now, they say Putin betrayed them by negotiating with nazis

Shit is that nigga on fire running out of the tank or from the side of it

Nigga use your eyes. Yes it is. Why don't vatniks know about stop, drop and roll?

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>Getting 10k+ Russians killed to secure some gopniks states
holy cope, this makes afghanistan look successful in comparison

Guess who tried another offensive push towards Kyiv just now.
God, I hope the Russian line collapses along the Terny-Konotop-Korop road so we can see a proper envelopment in this war.

you're fucking retarded.
stay out of politics with your mental illness level takes.

COPE!
SEETHE!
COPE!
SEETHE!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

10k worthless gopniks for luganda/dombabwe oil and gas reserves. Ukraine needs to take them back and join EU so we can cut r*sshits off for good.

America lost to a bunch of Arab goat farmers not a NATO backed country

No russisters...
Not like this...
VDV, Chechens, convoy where are they
Vladimilius Putus, give me back my legions

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Why didn't they just continue their dumb proxy war in the donbas as before, now they're only achieving the same thing as they were before but with 1000s of losses, sanctions, loss of face, and complete loss of whatever diplomatic integrity they had left

America actually capture Kabul and held it for 20 years while losing only 2000 troops over that period. Yes this is worse than Afghanistan.

They managed to topple their government within weeks and minimum casualties. Ruskies are still struggling in this part.

The Taliban were a small organization of Terrorists (75,000 2021 est), not a country of 40 million that was being constantly supported by foreign powers with anti-AA, anti-tank, food, sanctions ect.

because they thought they could topple the ukie government within days and after that there would be no organized resistance

Yeah and the Ukraine is right on Russia's border, while the US had to go into Afghanistan from abroad. Taliban also likely had support from China and Russia. Meanwhile Russia have been beating their chest as the big strong superpower and then lose because their third world tier army can't handle the enemy having AT equipment.
Then again this the same army that lost to a single city full of muslims so I guess we can't expect too much from them.

They are completely different situations and comparing the two is pointless

so basicly russia is pulling out so that they can have a referendum? and they are playing this as retreat?

>only bananas now

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Nah, Russians have been dragging up Afghanistan to laugh at the US for years. Afghanistan went well in comparison to this shit show, at least the US managed to conduct the military side successfully. Imagine not being able to take cities mere 10's of km from your own border.

The United States didnt lose Afghanistan because of the Taliban, they lost because they tried to build a nation state to a people who have no cocept of nationality, only clans

No, it's still in the talks nothing is signed or confirmed yet, they are pulling from the north because of the inability to successfully continue operations there, too many losses. Russian side gives some positive signals about this agreement, you can feel some cautious optimism about this war ending.

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Dusting off some monarch might have helped, but NOOOO, it had to be a democratic state.
extremely based

What are they wearing?
I'd prefer French maid outfits, but swimsuits are OK

Let’s just play it like Russians.

Accept the deal, and then break it the second it becomes convenient because Russia is a weaker country that we are free to bully as soon as EU troops are allowed in Ukraine.

America could literally have won the war in Afghanistan in two weeks and with like 3 KIA if we just put the Northern Alliance in charge, restored the Afghan monarchy, and accepted the Taliban's surrender.

They're pulling out in the north to move those troops into the south.

but how many of those formations will actually combat ready after that shit show?

Cook

>Lose 10k+ Russians in ukraine in just on month
>B-but remember when america...
Lmao

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>being this fucking stupid or a shill
Back to Any Forums with you, vatnigger.

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>could literally have won the war in Afghanistan in two weeks
where's the profit in that?

Now I'm starting to think we'll see the proper kino
>mud hardening up
>Russia collecting what troops it had to the south for one proper push
>Ukraine can send extra reinforcements down south
>two near-peer armies, similarly equipped and with similar ambiguity when it comes to air superiority are going at it like in the old days

... So it is going to be in Nato without having it said they're in Nato lmfao. Do they even get a recognition of Crimea as Russian now or can Ukies just with impunity try and reclaim it at their leisure while Russia gets nuked if they cross the border?

all they have to do is dig holes in the mud and sit there avoiding metal splinters. it's so easy even a frenchman could do it.

that is very clearly an NLAW. There are 0 confirmed JAvelin kills in Ukraine because Javelins suck dick.

>oil and gas
The real reason is cultural and societal: a successful west-oriented Ukraine cannot be allowed to provide an alternative governmental system for Putin's kleptocracy. Besides, Russia was already fucking around in Ukraine since the early 2000s.

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A successful and prosperous Ukraine in EU needs at least base resources to export and to build off industry and cohesive free democratic society. Now that would be a proper humiliation to Russia which is a shithole despite all the resources in the world.

Oooooooh janny!