I keep hearing niggas explain this war with:

I keep hearing niggas explain this war with:
MUH UKRANIAN NAZIS DID ETHNIC CLEANSING AGAINST THE RUSSIAN POPULATION IN DONBASS
When i look it up i only see Russian propaganda and no facts. Where was the ethnic cleansing and why would the ukranians do it? It literally makes no sense

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>Where was the ethnic cleansing
Donbas . The two republics that Putin formally recognised at the start of this special operation.
>and why would the ukranians do it?
The Donbas was/is mostly Russians who found themselves in Ukraine when the Soviet Union fell and borders were created.
When the US conducted the 2014 coop and overthrew yukoshenko they “revolted’ and refused to recognise the US imposed govt….this is when Victoria Nuland said “fuck the EU” as she chose who would have what roles in the Ukrainian govt she established.
>It literally makes no sense
Well it does…the Ukrainian govt and their US masters wanted the Donbas back and under their yoke. Both because Donbas is an industrial and agricultural prize, and from pride.. the Donbas people use to call the Ukrainian military that shelled their homes and businesses every day for 8 year “punishers”.
Because the west created the situation no journalists ever reported the situation fairly.

moral arguments to justify war/conflict are shit, however there is a rational argument for western countries to not get involved, the potential consequences aren't worth it. It's that simple. There is no moral argument for either side, and it's been this way for a long time.

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>I keep hearing niggas
Fuck you. Cunt.

I get that but where is the proof of GENOCIDE and Ethnic Cleansing which are words used by the Kremlin and russian media?

>When i look it up i only see Russian propaganda
Lol. This is your brain on cnn.
The west has never reported the situation accurately as the west created the “breakaway republics” by ousting yukoshenko, who was from Donbas and majorly supported there.
To resolve the issue the “Minsk package of measures” were documented and formally adopted by the United Nations.
Under Minsk Ukraine was to remove its military from the border…the Line of Control. Once people were no longer being killed, a referendum was to be held as to the status of the republics.
The republics had already had a referendum themselves and formally requested to join the Russian Federation, but of course the USA and international community howled and said the referendum was illegitimate. So Putin had hesitated and agreed to abide by Minsk.
Minsk was never implemented. The shelling and killing continued day and night fir 8 years.
In December21 to January 22 NATO began to build up troops on the Line of Control in preparation of a major invasion of Donbas …there were between 60,000 and 100,000 troops there waiting for March 22 when the weather would be good for an invasion.
Late Feb Putin and the Russian Duma formally recognised the republics and started the campaign to push back the Ukrainian military and the Azov nazi (who had done most of the atrocities in Donbas over the 8 years)

>proof of GENOCIDE
The cemeteries of Donbas

>There is no moral argument for either side, and it's been this way for a long time.
Incorrect.
People have a right to live in their homes and send children to school without being shelled by the largest and best equipped military in Europe.

Sorry, no such right exists. This is like saying Israel has a "right to exist". It's made up. If you have good relationships with your neighbors generally you wouldn't be in this situation.

that game was the biggest let down ever. Ton of potential, 3 fucking discs, and straight up bullshit. Hope they were all fired

yeah i'm not seeing it bro. US and NATO propaganda are mega gay but so is Russian propaganda. The numbers here don't add up and while i'm sure there have been civilian casualties in this conflict, calling it a Genocide is absurd. Again, if you can point me to something way more specific than cemeteries in Donbass i'm glad to re examine.

>proof of GENOCIDE
Also, in the days immediately after the US backed coop people in Odessa gathered to protest…they didn’t agree that yukoshenko should be overthrown.
Because the coop was funded by Soros there were thugs and “punishers” on the ground.
These hired thugs forced about 100 people into the Odessa trades hall and burnt them alive.
There was a documentary about it on YT right up until now, when everything that’s not cnn has been purged

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you cant just "look shit up" anymore, all search engines are tainted, your better off crawling vk or some uncensored video platforms.

Read the ahit they did in Odessa 2014
Burned people alive inside the building , trapped them there

Thanks for the info, i'll look more into it. That being said, a thug mercenary group killing 100 people doesn't constitute genocide

>The numbers here don't add
Ok. You are not genuine in your question.
You know absolutely nothing about it… but you know “the numbers don’t add up”…
How do you know and how would they “add up” to your satisfaction?

>Sorry, no such right exists.
Yeah it does. That’s why the UN formally adopted the Minsk agreement, to ensure the Donbas people could live without being shot at every day.

The numbers that are being quoted online and by Kremlin sources. I keep hearing 14 000 total dead, 4000 of which civilians. Were the 10k soldiers? Mercenaries? Could it be that among the numbers of civilian casualties, some or many of them were in unregulated militias we know nothing about? In what world are 4000 alleged civilian deaths during a Civil war considered Genocide? That's what i mean by it doesn't add up. It sound a lot like cherry picking and propaganda.

It's Russian propaganda. There are ethnic Russians fighting for Ukraine. Ironically the only ethnic Russian civilians being killed in Ukraine are being killed by Russian air strikes

it wasn't genuine ethnic cleansing - if you want to see that, read about the Volhyn genocide against the Poles
what they mean is, they outlawed the teaching of Russian in most schools and also shelled villages on the frontline (the DPR shells ukrainian villages on the frontline too).

this was a street riot. What they won't tell you is the Russian agitators seized the local building of administration bc they wanted to bring the city to Russia.
Ukrainian soccer fans got angry at this and started fighting with them to take back control of the building, during the fight the building caught fire and some dumb ruskie idiots got trapped

but nice try moshe

6 million native russians out of 3 million living there died in Donbass, if you don't believe it you are a russophobe.
Also Azov battalion used rollercoasters that went straight to metalwork ovens to burn russians alive, and other russians were chained to a wall and tortured by wild boars. They also made soap and lampshades out of russian babies.

That is literally the plot of that other world war

Just saying

Its just shit-tier Russian disinfo, nobody real actually believes it except Russo TV cattle and some kids here.

Fucking galaxy brain over here. Pol hates niggers so if you just associate niggers with anything pro Russian everyone’s going to support your shitty talking points, right?

Active phase of Donbass conflict ended somewhere in 2016, after that both sides agreed to cease fire, only ocassional shelling occured. According even to LDRP sources, in 2020 7 civilians died, in 2021 8 civilians died from their side