Not for nothing, but compare the adult male population of Ukraine and Russia. The west can supply 6 trillion weapons but they're no good if the people aren't there to hold them. This isn't even accounting for the Ukrainian men who have deserted and fled overseas.
Is it just me or does Ukraine actually need Russia to collapse internally to even have a hope of ultimately winning?
ukraine has plenty of soldiers right now. they're even rejecting volunteers.
Ethan Sanchez
They have tanks
Grayson Lopez
Rejecting volunteers from abroad who don't have military experience doesn't mean what you think it means.
I have not even seen the most optimistic Ukraine shill claim anything more than that both sides have lost a similar number of soldiers (which seems pretty unbelievable given the targets Ukraine has hit vs. the targets Russia has hit). Ukraine cannot win with that attrition rate, it's simply not possible.
Christian Hughes
there was a ukrainian user who said he's on the waitlist for reserves. said they're full
Liam Fisher
>does Ukraine actually need Russia to collapse internally This is an ultimate endgame, yes. This is more likely than you probably think. R*ssia was banned from importing anything high tech. Right now, they can’t even make paper, because they don’t have a chemical to bleach it, the paper they make has a color of shit. And it will only get worse.
Brandon Perez
> Ukrainian user
trust me bro
Anthony Diaz
You could make the same argument about the U.S. in Afghanistan, "why didn't we just kill all the adult male population?" The answer is it's impossible without a truly scorched Earth strategy, which would in turn destroy the resources / infrastructure Russia hopes to envelop.
So long as Western powers have a vested interest in financing the insurgency, which is constantly supported by waves of new foreign fighters, there's no way for Russia to win. You can defeat an enemy army, but not an enemy population. If you kill all the fathers, eventually their sons and daughters will come for you.
Russia should've learned that lesson in Afghanistan, either from their own experience or ours, but they didn't and now they're fucked.
Ukraine's hope of victory is simply in convincing Russia that the war won't be worth the cost. When Putin started invading, the victory conditions were "demilitarization" and "denazification" (and, as Putin uses Nazi and nationalist interchangably when it comes to Ukrainians, that goal is actually denationalization).
A few weeks of getting punched in the nose, and he releases more realistic demands. Gib territory, cut military down so next invasion is easier, not realistic demands but MORE realistic than the initial demands.
Keep punching, and the idea is that the demands will eventually fall into an actual realistic realm.
Dominic Baker
Right, that hasn't really collapsed Iran now has it.
Joseph Cox
Afghanistan's birth rate was 4.5. Ukraine's is 1.25. Case closed.
Isaac Morales
Well, yeah. Obviously in a battle of pure attrition Russia will win. However it’s much harder for Russia to keep it up offensively than for Ukraine to keep it up defensively.
Joshua Young
case reopened. most afghans flee country
Justin Perez
Russia would exhaust its own military capacities fighting a truly transgenerational conflict in Ukraine for your idea to work. Or they could just bomb it to oblivion, in which case the "territory" they gain is essentially worthless - especially considering such an action would generate a permanent (Western-backed) insurgency rooted in cultural trauma
Luis Ward
Or just nuke the western part. Nobody to 'insurge' then
Sebastian Wright
Because all the Russian soldiers have AIDS?
Elijah Rivera
Yeah, it's not like the surviving Ukrainians would be miffed about their country being subject to nuclear holocaust
At this point you should just accept Russia's finished