Do you think there should be more limits on what foods someone can purchase with EBT?

It's mostly to placate the control freak christian fundamentalists who equate poverty with sin

Let me guess daddy always smelled like booze and you want to make sure everyone knows it?

Food stamps should be scrapped altogether in favor of rations. Once a month they can pick up a ration of lentils, canned tomatoes, and rice. Enough for one meal per day per family member.

It's to discourage you from trying to live off welfare indefinitely.
It's to make sure you don't starve, you're not supposed to be comfortable.
Get a fucking job.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, create a whole government-run system of lentil dispensaries and force people to hire a moving van to haul a month's worth of food for an entire family rather than just letting them grocery shop at a normal store on a normal schedule.

>he thinks EBT restrictions do shit
Let me tell you how it works.
They’re gonna but what they want. Period.
If EBT won’t pay for it, then they’ll just “sell” their EBT like they already do if they want to buy weed, cigarettes, or alcohol.
>I want weed. I’ve got no cash. I do got EBT.
>Call weed guy, say I’ll use EBT
>I buy $30 worth of whatever groceries were guy wants
>I swap it to him for $20 worth of weed. Don’t care. EBT is free. Not my problem.
>I got my weed, and weed guy effectively made an extra $10

Honestly, it would be cheaper just to give them cash. They’re going to spend/trade it on whatever they want either way, so if they get $300 EBT just mail a check for $300, and stop spending whatever it costs to maintain the EBT electronic processing infrastructure.

You’re the one who wants to buy alcohol with food stamps

>It's to discourage you from trying to live off welfare indefinitely.
So they're going to raise the minimum wage then?
>It's to make sure you don't starve, you're not supposed to be comfortable.
See "It's mostly to placate the control freak christian fundamentalists who equate poverty with sin"
>Get a fucking job.
You mean get a highly paid job. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the politicians who would rather have taxpayers subsidize businesses that don't pay their employees.

I make six figures, I wouldn't qualify for food stamps. I want to eliminate pointless red tape that only exists to make food stamps politically palatable in a country where religious maniacs shit up every attempt to make things better because they think in terms of jeebus and space ghost instead of results and numbers.

The current system is government subsidizing private companies that produce and sell foodstuffs, you're advocating intorudicjng even more government corruption and a race to the bottom in food quality when it comes time to win those government contracts to make those rations.

>Cutting out the micromanagement would save money

Not necessarily related to food stamps but this is pretty much why some conservatives support UBI (and why some socialists/lefties are against). It's a small-government solution, and there would be enormous savings in cutting out the bureaucracy.

It's a safety net, you're not supposed to hang out there, what part of "springing back from poverty" do you not understand?

I don't understand your argument, are you just autistic and didn't understand my post was facetious? A government-run system of ration dispensaries is fucking stupid, whether it's lentils or MREs or whatever.

Its way easier than that. Most corner stores in nigger areas will do ghost sales in which they just act as currency exchange based on whatever the local rate is

What about severely disabled people? Surely, Christian charity should extend to people like that, no? But really, who would Jesus starve?

I had a conversation with a friend who runs a food pantry for the poor about this and while we didn't see eye to eye on much, she at the very least made me reconsider my position. Not getting into it unless asked.
No, I do not use EBT. I would, tho.

Severely disabled people are a net drain on society and should be culled.

poor people deserve to starve

>poor people deserve to starve

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Yeah I'm sometimes accused of being a "conservative" because I think things like UBI and cash handouts are a better system than what we have now, but no, I just see the people lining up at the bodega to scam the EBT cards every month and I know that what we're doing now is idiotic in the extreme

Ok, and how would you propose someone with no education, no skills, and possibly a criminal record get a job in middle management so they can afford to pay rent, utilities, child care, health insurance, etc, etc, on $15k a year? Just get a haircut and put on a suit and daddy will give you a job at his law firm? Use your head, how would this work?

This is the reason why convenience stores all have a microwave, there's no rule against buying hot foods if you cook them yourself.

I have before, unnecessarily so I regret to admit.
In general, mind you, but specifically used in excess without necessity for thanksgiving's sake with the family.

Yes, there absolutely need to be restrictions, limitations, whatever - just the same as free healthcare to a population that's been struggling with opioid abuse for decades now. We put laws on those in need, not those who provide the need.

Careful with that edge, the knife thread is over theere

>the restrictions are insulting to honest people
Lol no they’re fucking not.
An “honest” person who found himself in genuine need of welfare wouldn’t be spending it on frivolous shit even if he could.
Same reason I’m not insulted by legal restrictions saying I can’t rob liquor stores. They aren’t preventing me from doing something I want to do.

>frivolous shit
As defined by what, your insane autistic list of mac and cheese brands? Please.
>Same reason I’m not insulted by legal restrictions saying I can’t rob liquor stores
So if you had to get frisked every time you wanted to shop at a grocery store, you'd be ok with that? Ok cool just checking.

I think the restrictions make sense, but in line with what said, people already get around them if they want to. In urban areas, certain bodegas run EBT scams: they [illegally] buy your EBT funds in exchange for cash (minus a nice profit). I don't know exactly how it works; presumably the cashier holds the card for the next few days while making small fake transactions until the funds are gone. (It probably also ties into money-laundering operations.) Anyway, then you can spend the cash on "loosies" (single cigarettes), airline bottles of booze, and small bags of hot chips like a true man of culture.

The ideal of shame-free "social insurance" for hard times is nice, but the temptation to abuse it is great, resulting in regional, multi-generational EBT "lifestyles".

libtards seething. get a job commie fucks

UBI is never going to fucking work the way you think it will
>Oh you have an extra $1000 monthly income? Rent's up $500 next month.
so then you have to enforce rent control, which means the landlord will jew you even harder on maintenence, AND the government will have to spend more on bureaucracy enforcing the law. In fact that's the primary goal, expanding the bureaucracy.

Thanks /ck/ janny, now our discussion will really turn to shit.

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Indeed. /ck/ moderation is often overzealous.

More whites use SNAP than blacks.
Blacks much higher per capita.
Is it available forever or do you max out?

Hot foods/prepared foods are a luxury. If you're spending someone else's money, you can at least cook your own food.

wahhhh why cant we shit up other boards unopposed with out political agendas dis isnt fair they put it where it belongs :(

gee its almost as if it would be most efficient to just remove all middlemen and have a single entity run everything... then there is no need to have layers and layers of organizations policing everything
hmm

one point of failure to rule them all and just look at that track record

>cant go down to 7/11 and buy a warm hotdog
>CAN go down to 7/11 and but a bag of chips
shut the fuck up

if you are having to cook your own food you are spending more time doing it which means less opportunity to be doing something else productive.

its not their money anyway, you think taxes are actually taking from people? Its just a meme, the sum total of societies money gets distributed already, it just uses a bunch of weird and inefficient channels to do it. Why not, for example, have there be no income tax at all but just a much higher corporate tax? Wages would go down to compensate, and the end result would be the same. Expand this out to everything.
The only purpose of wages and taxes is to control public opinion. Because you get pay and some of that gets taken you feel some anti-tax sentiment which makes you feel more sympathetic to the rich.
Its all controlled, the people in charge are the people in charge, and how things look and operate are all just a mechanism to keep you subservient.

WOW EVEN CK HAS SHILLS

"FOOD CONTROL
Food supplies would come under tight control. If population growth didn't slow down, food shortages could be created in a hurry and people would realize the dangers of overpopulation. Ultimately, whether the population slows down or not the food supply is to be brought under centralized control so that people would have enough to be well-nourished but they would not have enough to support any fugitive from the new system. In other words, if you had a friend or relative who didn't sign on, and growing ones own food would be outlawed. This would be done under some sort of pretext. In the beginning I mentioned there were two purposes for everything - one the ostensible purpose and one the real purpose, and the ostensible purpose here would be that growing your own vegetables was unsafe, it would spread disease or something like that. So the acceptable idea was to protect the consumer but the real idea was to limit the food supply and growing your own food would be illegal. And if you persist in illegal activities like growing your own food, then you're a criminal."

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A bag of chips offers more nutrients and energy than a hotdog that you were too lazy to cook yourself

If they were doing anything productive with their time, they wouldn't be relying on EBT. The best you can do is limit them enough to teach them discipline and responsibility.