When I look at this map I see nations that have been or are abused or used by East and/or West. Both of those spheres mock us, do not like us, do not believe we should be sovereign, do not believe we should even exist. For most of my life, I was influenced by concept of Intermarium, but I always thought it was to much thinking in terms of only Poland + Baltics. It should be all of us.
The East used us like cattle, running deep state of KGB and other lunatics with high corruption and poverty for people.
The West uses us like cattle to work their shitty corpos, and for money launddering fronts for their dirty work.
Both East and West should be thrown off if we're going to have a future for ourselves. I know many of these countries have historical bitterness against each other, but if those things are not solved you may as well write your death speech now because you will be destroyed by West or East some day. I see these nations united by common purpose, of wanting to be sovereign, respected, and at peace. not controlled by foreign oligarchs, nomenklatura, or security services.
Intermarium should happen.
Why intermarium should happen
We would be economically viable together, and militarily we are probably few countries on earth that actually understand war. It would be better than anything EU, USA, or Russia would offer us.
sounds good
won't happen
>austro-hungary doesnt work
>yugoslavia doesnt work
>this even bigger hotchpotch will work because, it will ok
Slavs tongue my anus
It's a long shot, and held up mostly by historical bitterness and tampering from enemy. But who knows.
Difference is it shouldn't be run same as austro-hungarian nightmare or yugoslavia. a federation or union is how it works. each sovereign and in total control of foreign and domestic policy.
>All the biggest deadbeats leave NATO
Do it as soon as humanly possible. After that we can stop pretending NATO is worthwhile and leave it to the west Euros to deal with
neobyzantium when
We tried that before the war. The non-nations that sprung up after WW1 didn't really think with their brains more like with emotions and their dick, their nationalism and narrow-mindness absolutely blocked them from being dominated by Poland just in a slight way.
Now they are all gopnik shitholes, serves them right. Eastern Europe is insufferable.
>>austro-hungary doesnt work
It worked fine for over 112 years, if you factor in the time before the Ausgleich. That's 65 years longer than the German Empire even lasted.
The Western Europeans are the ones that abuse NATO. If the US continues to sell firearms and performs military trainings i would be OK with continued partnership.
Does not need to be dominated by any country. When I saw situation with Poland in response to war in East with Ukrainian women and children I realise that this is historical imperative of unity among this part of Europe. Slovaks did same, Lithuanians, Estonias, and Latvians all came to Poland to help when Belarusian govt who holds the Slavic people there hostage started troubles on border. Framework is already there. Estonia is going to become Texas of Europe in next 10 years, they will be economic powerhouse full of smart thinking businessmen and good laws for business.
It is a rare day on Any Forums to hear Austrian and German banter. Not enough of it I think.
>The Western Europeans are the ones that abuse NATO.
how insane are you exactly
Finland probably would never join because they are terrified of East but again, I think this is a situation now more than ever that without coming to think of alternative either West or East will turn our homes into abyss forever. West and East look down on our countries and think we should be destroyed.
the main problem would be poland being americas trojan horse
He's kind of right, Europeans are NATO free-riders. Welfare queens of the US.
The sooner you realize the better, most countries aren't even spending required 2% of GDP on military
By the way there would always be room for you.
in what way? Most Poles I meet think USA is empire in decay, and nobody here thinks you will do anything in time of war anyway. Naturally, our alliance is "exotic", without meaning or long term. I think about future, not just present.
One reason I believe Russia and USA constantly try to keep our nations apart is fact we would be serious bloc and sphere of our own, this would mean disaster for their plans of divide et impera of peoples especially Slavic peoples (but not only, they also hate Baltbros for some insane reason).
I personally would rather ally with China than US,
America is a total joke of a country
I think this is a good idea but Romania, Moldova and Hungary being the only non slavic nations would be pretty weird
China is rather "neutral" in this regard, and I think partnership with them around economics is perfectly rational. They are already "taking care of' our special Eastern front through debt trappings and land buyouts, so its possible they could even be persuaded to develop parternship as well.
Its true, but on other hand its not a nation-state, so conceptually we dont need to police each others cultures or some other bullshit like USA and Russia always try to do. Honestly I have traveled to every country I am listing here and got along with everyone, and everyone seems to really love each other beyond those specific cases (e.g. Hungary and Romania lol)
I forgot Albania and maybe Greece?
i agree the us is in decay and they desperately need other countries to need them so they do everything they can to antagonize and destabilize so they can come to the rescue. what im saying is the us will start a war with russia to make it a long term thing with poland while they do everything they can to destroy poland from the inside
It’d be for the best to split Europe into pozzed, globohomo, rapefugee West and then the based East.
Yes some maps include them some maps don't, I would be perfectly open to inviting them.All nations in "the middle" of Europe deserve invitation from the brutality faced from East and West - for a sphere of our own free from foreign interruptions and aggressions, manipulations and stupidity.
Russia is doing a good enough job by themselves to push for a war that they also desperately want. but i bank more on China's continued buyout of Russia to end that before it gets worse. Ukraine will also need help after this war from all russia has destroyed, so naturally this would be perfect chance for Intermarium concept to begin devleopment. I believe it already is happening right now in Poland.
Language?
>something with Ukraine in it
Not going to work, they are the problem.
The "East" has never been our friend, ally, or even mutual partner. The West and East must be completely rejected.
Its not nation-state, nobody dictates your language policies. This is not Russian occupation.
The Problem is the West and the East constantly interfering, constantly meddling, constantly starting proxy war, constantly manipulating, constantly destabilising. Ukrainian people are suffering first hand from uSA and Russsian plans of divide et impera. If anything they will be most open to concept.