Do any Russians actually believe this?

Do any Russians actually believe this?

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Is there a literal nazi battalion in Ukraine?
Yes
Is this the reason we are invading?
No
And before you ask, i have no idea why this is happening anymore

Pretty sure the average russian thinks more like a neo nazi than anyone else

Boomers do.

A lot do

Do you guys know anyone sent out to fight there?
How are you guys holding up at home?
Is the media starting to push the idea of invading Poland as well?

No one i know personally
I can't watch the news anymore so i can't tell

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Do you actually believe this?

based canada wow

Because it's good business to take care of the competition before they set up shop. Assuming you can get away with it.

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Yes, it's a thought crime, that is real in your mind. We're so sorry.

>Do you guys know anyone sent out to fight there?
Not personally, but I overheard how my father was talking about someone who went there.
>How are you guys holding up at home?
Really stressed.
>Is the media starting to push the idea of invading Poland as well?
I don't watch TV, but probably not. Otherwise it would be all over the internet.

It's always the boomers isn't it?

>before they set up shop
They had 30 years after USSR and they where the biggest ruling cast of nomenklatura for around 50 years.

>2014
>proposed by Russia
Yes, we know Russia has been using the fear of Nazism as war preperation propaganda and thirdies eat it up, we don't need a map to prove it.

It's 2022. Do people really still care about Nazis?

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These gas fields were discovered in 2012, they are not yet developed.

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>Southeast Asia where they have little clue about what a Nazi actually is voted yes
>The places that suffered from Nazi occupation mostly abstained
Yeah, I'm going to assume there's more to this than what you're just wanting to show.

Yup. But not necessary because they are bad people. They are just naive and were raised during the cold war with all its propaganda.

Oh I completely get it. We got the same BS here.

Yes
Truckers protests here were constantly antagonized for being "nazis"

Russians do because the new regime has been using WW2 as basically the founding myth of the country. A lot of the war propaganda relies on basically recreating the mythology of the WW2 conflict and the battle against Nazism.
Take the decals on this helicopter for example. It's not actually an admission that they intend on invading Germany and Berlin, but it's a direct reference to the sort of decals you would find on a T-34 in 1944, because they want to believe it's the same struggle. What else are you going to fight and die for? Russia's geopolitical interests? Preventing Ukraine from competing with Russia for selling gas to the EU? That doesn't really inspire a soldier to die for his country in an invasion.

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seems pretty simple. putin doesn't wanna see a mini-me version of russia turn into a successful democracy. else russians will start to come for his head like gaddafi. he doesn't want territory, oil, or any of that crap. he wants to wreck ukraine just to wreck it

Try walking out into the nearest city center carrying a Nazi swastika flag, tell me how it goes.

Yeah...
I also don't believe in the evil for the sake of being evil thing

No
Older half of my relatives is pro-war and younger half is anti-war and risks loosing our business. We are split. My babushka told me internet is full of lies, i have an addiction and i should watch tv instead, she watches tv about 8 hours every day and has it on constantly because she doesnt like silence
No

>muh state TV is totally realz guize
I goddamn hate boomers so much it's insane

Truly the only war that needs to be fought is the war to exterminate all boomers

All the fields mentioned where discovered in 70's. It is not profitable to mine with shell/chevron fracking tech and if they'd use Russian patents they'd be easily arrested.

RosFed has even built separate ports in sochi for the accommodation of forces stationed in Krymea, with large part of it being built for Sochi olympics. It's all empty now.

what in the world is this flag

Canada has SS division monuments that is not attacked.
Unlike the monuments of Russian soldiers in eastern rEUch, that are being claimed to be Soviet soldiers, then destroyed.

>ukraine
>successful
>democracy
you can't accuse Russians of buying into the propaganda when you're regurgitating the western lines...

Let's assume you are right and gas is not a concern. Why did Putin do it? I feel like I have no idea what's happening since the invasion. Like either me or the world leaders are on drugs. Every move made sense as a giant game of chess between NATO and Russia in Ukraine. Now it's like Putin has kicked the board over.

Russian propaganda never fails to be absolutely ludicrous, as if "Ukrainian nazis" were a threat to Russia, Ukraine can barely defend itself yet attack a nation like Russia.
And dumbfucks seriously falling for such low quality shit.

Where?

Ukraine now is basically Poland 25 years ago. A few decades of EU investment would not rule out Ukraine as a successful-ish democracy-ish country.

my explanation makes the most sense for me. why else would he do this. russia's got a shitton of land and oil. to actually protect some russiaboo ukrainian yokels? gimme a break

My guess is just to remind nato that war in Europe is still possible and Ukraine is just sacrifice goat
But he is also just might be out of his mine

Literally the same all over the world. The TV/Internet disconnect has only further created a massive divide in culture between those below the age of 35-40, and those above it.
It's the booty

Why would he want to remind NATO that war is stil possible? If you are going to steal honey from a bear, do you wake it up first?

Again just a guess
Its kind of a warning to Finland Georgia and other countries that might join nato

This, if the Germans miss out on a chance to virtue signal about Nazism then you know something is wrong.

i said that before, but putin knowingly uses the hypocritical woke rhetoric to subvert the modern western standards, conflating it with russian ww2 history.

St. Volodymyr ukranian Cemetery

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My thoughts is that he expected a second Crimea. You throw some air troops, cars with armed men and common russian and ukranians will meet them with flowers and overthrow the lvovian reich. He looks unironically dilusioned and authoritarianism only reinforces delusions in leadership. Boomers remember Ukraine as a harmonious multiculti state where ukranians, russians, bulgarians, romanians, jews, tatars and hungarians peacefully lived with each other, except for the western part but they were still calm. What they see now is that all ukranians became like the west and they dont understand why it is like that, they blame west in everything

I know we are both in just as much in the dark but even that makes no sense to me. Why even care about who is in NATO. NATO is never going to invade Russia as long as it has nukes. If they ever wanted to provoke Russia into a war, now would be the best time and they won't even do a no fly zone. Is it just WW2 mentality, thinking there would ever be a major land war? Or maybe preparing for a future where there are effective anti-nuke measures and nukes are no longer a threat? Is he playing 8D chess and we are just too dumb to understand or is he actually just a retard? Who knows anymore.

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Are you a Ukkie in Germany? Youre pretty gullible if you think Ukraine is not a corrupt country

In america everyone you disagree with is a nazi :)

No one is denying that they are corrupt, vatnik
and no, I'm not a Ukie I just oppose my natural enemy

I do agree he probably expected a 1-2 day fait accompli before NATO was done planning the meeting to discuss if they should schedule an emergency council session. Quick regime change to restore Ukraine as a second Belarus and then just weather the milquetoast sanctions and strongly worded letters of concern using the foreign exchange money the bank of Russia has been building up since 2014. Clearly things have gone a little off script since then. But Putin told Macron everything is going exactly according to plan and he wouldn't lie, would he?

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Yeah, that's pretty much it. He wanted to repeat popularity boost that happened with Crimea.

>and has it on constantly because she doesnt like silence
i hate old people so fucking much.
The amount of times I've heard this shit from older relatives is mindboggling.

Don't worry most young Russians love America and the West. In 50 years from now Russia might finally become a normal country

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I doubt that
If he isn't completely delusional he would see a difference between bloodless annexing Crimea and full scale invasion with shelled cities

Do you think this may have been influenced or caused by COVID? A war, any war, might have been needed to boost internal support.

That would be cool but I imagine this poll was made before the US & her Allies piledrove their economy into the dirt

listen to Bismarck

190k troops is a helluva lot of commitment for a popularity boost. a quick crimea that's understandable. but this is some ww2 type shit

If they expected Zelensky to bolt at the first sing of trouble and an immediate collapse and surrender after the initial barrage, they may have never expected to shell any cities. This whole thing smells like "there was no plan B"

At this point i dont see a clear win outcome for Russia. Occupation - now even russophones hate Russia with passion. Regime change - like how? Appointment? Very unstable regime. An "election"? You have to mess with elections greatly if you want people to vote right when they will likely just vote against you not even looking at candidates and if you remove candidates it is basically appointment. Taking parts and leaving? The remaining ukraine will be so hostile even schizo poles from this forum will pale in comparison, they couldnt be trusted to remain neutral
>he wouldn't lie, would he?
hahaha, really, why wold he?

>If he isn't completely delusional
He is delusional, that's the whole point.
There will be presidential elections in 2024. Obviously our elections are rigged, but elections are easier to rig when you actually has some support.

Oh btw you guys might find it funny
They tell us they found a secret laboratory that has bats with covid, they are infecting birds with covid and send them to Russia, trying to find a way to fuck up female reproductive organs and other shit like that

>whole point
Thats the thing
I don't believe that, its easy to just tell he is insane
But usually its not that easy

They probably thought that Russian-speaking people would welcome invaders with open arm and Ukranian army will flee immediately. Such bloodless reunification would be a perfect PR campaign.

I think the only way out now is a moral 'victory' and world's biggest propaganda effort. Have Zelensky sign a whole bunch of symbolic gestures into the peace deal. Ban nazi symbols, ban the Azov battalion, guaranteed language rights for Russian speakers in Ukraine, maybe a few persecutions of Azov war criminals, non aggression guarantees from Ukraine to Russia. Then either independence or at least local autonomy for the eastern and Crimea regions, depending on who has the stronger negotiation hand. The west would also need to approve of the peace treaty in order to lift the sanctions. Afterwards, everything need to be spun as "The brave Russian people and their glorious leader surviving pain and hardship in order to protect the people of Donbas, even in the face of the ignorance of the misguided West of the Nazi terror in Donbas, etc, etc."

So can we say now that Putin has just created a real ukrainian identity and nation?
They are uniting against a common foe (sadly but it's us)

I wish females would let me fuck their reproductive organs.

>They probably thought that Russian-speaking people would welcome invaders
i'm not gonna even pretend to know anything about the relationship between russia and ukraine to prejudge that line of thinking. americans thought iraqis would welcome us with open arms too once we "liberated" it

He was isolated for two years now and only interacted with people from FSB and the army. They probably told him a lot of bullshit over that time.

I think you can say that. I have a Ukrainian friend who told me that him and his family went overnight from identifying as "ex-USSR" to "strongly Ukrainian". It's just an anecdote but this is how national identity is forged in the fire of war and pain.

1/3 of usa believes in qanon. An average person here is pretty old too which only makes it worse

Well this is different levels of delusions if we are being honest
We were 1 country at some point and all

Bravo P*tin.

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Hey, it's my favorite russian cum swallowing serb!

Yes. This whole situation will make Ukranian identy much stronger than it was. Putin personally killed any hopes for reunification.
Putin tried to install pro-Russian government in Ukraine for two decades. He even succeeded with Yanukovich who was removed in 2014.

Many pro-western people in Russia for better or worse love America almost unconditionally, they would recognize this hardship as self-inflicted by the Russian government.

I dont know Why they think the world believes them.
Why they think we would care.
Why they think we would know they have neo nazis, the wagner group hunting down jews

I think russians are stupid, dishonest, incompetent and completely detatched from the real world

>Many pro-western people in Russia for better or worse love America almost unconditionally
Not really. Realizing that you need to have stronger ties with the West is not the same as loving USA.

Wouldnt know

Its like a retarded violent woman with the.

Most thirdies that are aware of the conflict unironically support the r*ssians, mostly because they hate the West
this is true for Latinxes, Pajeets, Africans etc

Russia into EU 2050 my BRVTHER

Still, it is symbolic shit, and they cant be trusted with real pacts like neutrality.
When USSR fell, Ukraine basically had three big political groups - raguls or pro-west nationalists, moskals or pro-east russophones and common hohols which are neutral and Ukraine maintained balance between moskals and raguls. After maidan the power shifted to the western part and languages were restricted, russians were mistreated and Putin took Crimea. With Crimea a big part of moskals left the country and hohols were angered and became closer to raguls. And separatism finished the political influence of moskals. Crimea was a mistake

They're also dumb
Boomers in the first and third world are also scum
Idk what it is. Age? The period they were born? Watching the same TV channel over and over? Autistic lifestyles? Living on a bubble? Whatever it is, 99% of boomers I know are 2 digit IQ

based

Russians may be retards but not to that extent, however they nevertheless seem to support that idea since they want to exterminate every single Ukrainian person.

So. They are subhumqn.
I dont care what monkeys do

These dreams are dead now.

How would they even break a neutrality pact, assuming it's a military one? It's not like Ukraine is ever going to attack Russia. And the more they get aligned to the West, the less they'll even have the option to go rogue like that

Most of them, yes. I'd spitball at least 70%.

>Living on a bubble?
Yes. They've been in a bubble their whole lives.

Is there no hope for change ? any opposition ? Surely after this war Putin will give away power.

usa = a lot of money = le good

simple as

>My babushka told me internet is full of lies, i have an addiction and i should watch tv instead, she watches tv about 8 hours every day
Crazy

Depends on if monke stays in power after this. Either way it's going to be aligning with China or the EU, I don't see a sovereign Russia after this.

holy shit vaporwave Philippines flag

If it passed it would allow Russia to intent trials to every country by branding them as nazis

Because russians act like retarded violent women
They bring up conflicts and shit from the past justifying being violent retards now

Women = russian

ok boomer but let the people that want an actual discussion talk to each other

In the current situation the goverment went really hard on any opposition. They send people in prison for calling this war a war.
But even if somehow we get new pro-western government completely severed economic and political ties aren't easy to restore.

Theres no real political opposition
The one that we had were puppets that were just making putin look better
So now we would have either a Putin puppet that will be less competent OR wewill have the western puppet that will just sell all resources without care fo the people
So we are fucked either way

Gas monopoly needs to be maintained for one thing. He probably felt pressure from nato but mostly just losing another vassal to the EU terrified him. He almost lost Belarus not long ago. There are a lot of reasons besides muh psycho. He is a tyrant with an emperor complex but he doesn't just do things for the sake of cruelty.
Remind us war is possible by starting a war? Doubtful. He was losing Ukraine and he acted on bad Intel that he could take it back in easily.

We though our glorious pro-western liberal Medvedev is going to have a say in this but he decided to jump on the bandwagon too.
His rule was the peak Russia. We were friends with pretty much every country except for Georgia

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It will be China, since no one else will buy our resources and no one else will sell us tech.

Death to America

I hate the Antichrist

The westoids are trying to normalize and rehabilitate nazism since the cold war (by equating them with USSR)

Now they are going full nazi apologia to undermine Russia
The west is creating a monster it wont be able to control

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Yes, some people here believe this. I'll tell you more: there're civilians in Ukraine who believe this. Literally people hiding in basements in Mariupol and waiting for Russians to liberate them. I didn't get this from any news outlet, literal second-hand stories from people I know and trust. And there're also whole lot of Ukrainian diasporoids (both in Russia and the West) who believe similar stuff and to some degree welcome this invasion, I know such people. I'm not saying these Ukrainians have their shit straight in any way but you should never underestimate the number of hardcore vatniks in east and south Ukraine, especially among people over 50. More of them than in many parts of Russia (probably due to being antagonized by their government's rhetoric). I feel like this is one thing Western media is consistently leaving out of the picture, how polarized Ukrainian society is, especially post-Maidan. Not that it justfies the current situation in any way.

>They send people in prison for calling this war a war.
reported to FSB
>languages were restricted, russians were mistreated
no such things happened, propaganda justification for Putins landgrab. Ive heard years of this shit about my own country when russians are treated like kings to not belive ANYTHING a russian or russian authority says. If you told me your name was Ivan Petersburgajev I wouldnt believe you.

I actually think if there is a regime change in Russia and the new guy is everything the West hopes him to be, those sanctions are going to reverse pretty fast. I'm not saying the West is going to act in Russia's best interest, but I don't think they would be hostile to a new Russian president that signals that he is the anti-Putin.
Besides, the West probably wants those ties back ASAP because they are both profitable and leverage. After pulling the rug out from under a man, it's not unwise to invite him back on it in case he is looking to start some shit again.

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It did but that is expected after we took Crimea

Well there are some actual neo-Nazis, and in a broader sense of the word, laws marginalizing the Russian language.
I hate this opinion, I've seen it a billion times from twitter checkmarks, and nowhere else, it's dumb. Ukraine was a shithole, second poorest country in Europe. It wouldn't have joined the EU in decades, and even then, you have piss poor EU states like Romania.

>went overnight from identifying as "ex-USSR" to "strongly Ukrainian"

For many years Poland was strong anti-immigrant and politicians said that Poland will not take immigrants from any country. It was like this just one month ago.

In 4 weeks, we got 2 millions of immigrants from Ukraine (50k more everyday) - more than all pro-immigrant western coutries combined in the last 20 years.

And Polish-Ukrainian (read: EU-Ukrainian) border currently doesn't exist anymore.

Am I the only one who kind of wants China to properly side with Russia and start sending them weapons. The unity that Western democracies have shown in opposing Russia has been really uplifting and reassuring. Let the Chinese set their stall out with Russia and we can have a clear divide in the world between democracies and shitty dictatorship one party states.

>those sanctions are going to reverse pretty fast
Sanctions are rarely removed fast.

could a democratic russia even survive
it's so big and so diverse and is basically 30 countires in one
the one thing keeping it together is authoritarianism
every single governor of every oblast is part of United Russia

You really think the Chechens and Dagestanis and Ingushetians will just merely accept the result of a democratic election?
You think the Tuvans and Yakutians will just embrace what the 75% of people living in European Russia decided?
You think democracy won't suddenly enflame ethnic conflict as non ethnic russians realise how outnumbered they are?

It seems like dictatorship is a prerequisite for Russian unity

That is funny considering how hate Poles are in Europe. Your whores are superior to the Ukrainians.

Givi, Strelkov, Motorola were all russian agents, russia sent troops and military equipment specifically to the luhansk/donetsk region to stir shit up and constantly falseflag for propaganda narrative. Funded, organised etc by GRU and FSB both. A russian always lies, 100%, not a single word is truth.

They have to or it gulagtown for 10 years for a most 20 to 30.
They cant pay back the war debt. So just default the government and restart

This. Even if let's say Putin dies tomorrow and some neutral guy steps in it will take at least decade to lift off some of those sanctions.
Let alone Crimea which we will never give back and the people down there don't want to get back either. It's gonna be just like Turkey (they are sanctioned for more than 40 years now)

The Chinese will never openly take sides, they are too profit oriented. Instead they will hold their own course and look for expanding their economic reach.

>Ukraine was a shithole, second poorest country in Europe
under EU guidance states can get prosperous pretty fast, like the baltics. i dunno just spitballing here

If the Russian regime changes, I don't see how they could not reverse as fast as they were signed. Enacting it might take some more time but when someone does what you want, you don't keep punishing them for longer than that.

It will take decades to normalize relations between west and Russia. Also after so many russians died to nato weapons I don't think any pro-western option is possible for Russia.

>could a democratic russia even survive
>it's so big and so diverse and is basically 30 countires in one
>the one thing keeping it together is authoritarianism
>every single governor of every oblast is part of United Russia
Authoritarianism being stable is a myth. Democracy is much better for big and diverse country.

Noone who is normal and not a schizo shutin in europe hates poles. What everyone hates in Europe? Gypsies.

Again saying that this side always tell lies and this one always tell the truth will be a retarded opinion no matter what

>A 2012 law, called the law "On the principles of the State language policy" gave the status of regional language to Russian and other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population.[3][4] The law was used mostly in Ukraine's southern and eastern regions, where predominant or significant parts of the population speak Russian as their first language.[4] Three minor settlements did the same for Hungarian, Moldovan and Romanian.[5]
>The bill was also criticized by the Ambassador for Human Rights of the Russian foreign ministry.[51] Bulgarian and Romanian foreign ministers evaluated it as a step in the wrong direction,[52] and the Greek foreign minister expressed disappointment.[53] The Hungarian foreign ministry expressed serious concerns, noting that the decision "could question the commitment of the new Ukrainian administration towards democracy".[54] The Polish foreign minister called it a mistake.[55]
>Immediately after the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, on 23 February 2014, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to repeal the law. This decision was vetoed by the acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, who instead ordered drafting of a new law to "accommodate the interests of both eastern and western Ukraine and of all ethnic groups and minorities."[12][13]

No one besides a few british chuds actually hates poles
They get memed on, yes but it's not actual hatred

maybe
definitely not for your muslims though
them niggas be crazy

So an attempted was made to veto an earlier language law and this attempt was blocked. Well hell, time to roll in the tanks, indeed.

Don't you guys have an expression "polish discount" or something that means stealing?

a russian ALWAYS lies, you can get truth out of a jew or a chinaman but never a russian
did you even read the first paragaph. Theres nothing wrong with it. If the minority exceeds 10% of the population in a district they are allowed to have their own language schools, courts etc. If you are 1% of population ofcourse noone is going to make special schools for you. The thing you dont like is being a minority, which you are.

The Baltics are tiny, so EU gibs go a long way. Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, with a population bigger than Poland. It would significantly strain the EU.

>nazis
More than that, they are gay nazis LMAO

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Okay yeah
you can't be reason with

Fuck caucaniggers, i dont want them in my country. They are giver russian taxes and the money goes to kadyrovs tribe

Hatred of Polish immigrants is very passé, that's like 90s-00s stuff. In the later years it was just a redirection of migration frustration into the only (white) ethnic group you could criticize without being called a racist. Genuine anti Polish sentiment is pretty much gone since the muslim immigration and islamic terror bombings. It's just a thing for UK boomers and other relics now.

Sounds like france, then germany, then poland

Like I said they get memed on but that's it

First paragraph is description of the law that has been removed
Shit i forgot to copy paragraph where it is finally decided to be anticonstitutional and removed

Imagine fucking up so bad that almost a hundred years later people still use you as le bogey man.

Ukraine would become another market and cheap manufacturing plant for western companies, it is not a bad deal at this point.

Ukraine: country with a Jewish president where gays and nazis fight together. Russians truly manage to unite each and every type of person against them.

Our markets give more to western EU companies then we actually get gibs back.
You are a dishonest liar, its genetic. And you cant cope with being a minority anywhere, this is an argument to remove your minority if anything. The law in Ukraine was blocked and the russian language retained its special status. You wont see same kind of special status for nigerian in Saudi Arabia even if they are 10% (they are not).

Putin is 70.
All regimes with so much power into one single person are destined to crumble at his death.

>If the minority exceeds 10% of the population in a district they are allowed to have their own language schools, courts etc
They are not since 2019.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

Is nawalny super nationalist and status that crimea is russian and being to russia?

Nah, most of them are just regular people.

The problem with authoritarian form of goverment is that any sort of inner tensions are swiped under the rug. And the more time passes the more tense things become. Federalism and democracy doesn't have that. You dislike something? Then you should vote for people who share your beliefs and let them fight over the problem in parliament. You dislike what central goverment does? Then you go on local election and pick a man to be sent in the capital to represent your region. That system solves almost everything if done right.

why do westoids believe they are prone to state propaganda?

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Good, I dont see a reason why a tiny minority would demand a whole parallel system off the majority taxpayer money.

To be fair these laws and sentiments arose in basically a 8 year undeclared proxy war with Russia in Donbas and an annexation of Crimea.

There we additional pro-ukranian laws in 2019, the 10% law was repealed in 2014

More broad generalizations is surely a good thing
Just like our government calls everyone in opposition a nazi sympathizer

Stalin died in 1953. Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

But what happened to muh lies?

>the new guy is everything the West hopes him to be
So returns Crimea? That's not happening. Navalny wouldn't do it.
Usually yes, but it's easier to remove when they were not passed by the Congress. Took forever to get Russia out of Jackson-Vanik.

>boomers getting their brains rotted by a steady stream of absurd nationalist content
We are truly sisters
>And dumbfucks seriously falling for such low quality shit.
iirc there's a term in Russia for lies that people aren't necessarily supposed to believe but will help achieve a rhetorical goal.

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Who the fuck reads the economist, I have literally never seen any of these headlines outside of seething thirdie collage posts. Do you think the economist is the official newspaper of the entire NATO zone or something? You realize Western countries have a press that can print more than one viewpoint without being found dead of suicide from 3 gunshots to the back of the head, right? Is that why you are so confused?

killing arabs is based
bush unironically dindu nuffin wrong

Serbians aren't Muslims tho

una faccia una razza

"tactical lies" and "white lies". Those are fucking aggravating.

>Sounds like france, then germany
You mean countries that prop up the EU by being some of the biggest world economies?
>then poland
There are so many Polands you can have at the same time

Well whatabout whataboutism
Now you can kill ukraines because of the past.

Yes, I fear the sanctions would not see an instant reversal without stuff like the return of Crimea. A lot of these sanctions are basically what people think should have happened during the original 2014 Crimea situation. The weakness in the sanctions are probably what caused Putin to think he could get away with this invasion.

Based democracy enjoyer. You know what's also hilarious, all these Any Forums tards who before were crying about Covid masks and regulations are the same ones who are now shilling Putin. They cried about "muh freedoms" and yet are willing to support literal totalitarianism now. Maybe a few years in a Russian prison for political dissent would put wearing a mask into perspective. They need to be culled

I had respect for ukrainians before this shit started but then i started seeing them uploading gore and some desecration/mutilation of dead people after that i find it hard to consider some of them even normal people. They're just mentally fucked.
I get that people fight eachother and shit but ultimately there gotta be some sort of limit.
And Ukrainians fight as if it's a war for extermination when it's really not that kind of war, it's more about money and interests of the elites.

This is what ideologies do to people. This is why ideologically brainwashed people are dangerous and why ideology must be banned in every single country.

azov is a gang of neo-nazi satanists trained by the cia and mossad

He just expected a repeat of Crimea. Which wouldn't have caused such backlash.

>Putin support demonstration
50-70 years old women
>Antiwar demonstration
16-34 boys and girls

Really makes one ponder

>implying we let Ukraine join Gayropean Union
Lol
>a russian ALWAYS lies, you can get truth out of a jew or a chinaman but never a russian
Kys pathetic lying nazi dog. You're next.

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>You really think the Chechens and Dagestanis and Ingushetians will just merely accept the result of a democratic election?
>You think the Tuvans and Yakutians will just embrace what the 75% of people living in European Russia decided?
Curiously enough, the Caucasian regions and also Tyva are where United Russia and Putin have the best results, always over 90%. Of course, it's partially because people there don't even pretend to believe in democracy and just support whoever their leadership tells them to. But you should also keep in mind that these are the regions that depend almost entirely on subsidies from the federal budget while contributing almost nothing. This is what makes any of them becoming independent a lot more complicated than it may seem and people there know this. This is one of the reasons why Chechnya's de facto independence experiment failed. So in short
>the one thing keeping it together is authoritarianism
no, that would be money in the federal budget more than anything else.

not all arabs are muslim.

Putin's parents lived to 88 and 86 and he can get all the benefits of modern medicine, he will live at least another 20 years and by that time they will found a way to prolong elites lives indefinitely

>tf
>tp

"france/germany propping up eastern block" -more retarded solovjov talking points. Gibs for infrastructure projects come with one hand, the other hand cooperates economically for the eastern eu consumer market. A russian will never understand cooperation in an union because all he has known is being squished under czars boot and watching his neighbor also getting crushed by the other foot. Thats where he is happy.

usa gave impression it will be like crimea. not big fun of conspiracy theories but i think they did it intentionally to pull russia into this disaster.

Back to 2ch vata

given the way things are shaking up in the country, I don't think russia is very capable of coercing ukraine into any course of action desu

food for thought

We rebuilt france
Then germany
Then poland

We can easily rebuild ukraine. You russians are so soft.

>Is the media starting to push the idea of invading Poland?
No, there is no reason too and makes no if one looks deep into the reason why this conflict even started, also you would’ve been hearing about it all over the net if it were true, but it’s not

I don't think Zelensky is going to let that one go. Neither is Putin. So it's just going to be a race to see what breaks first, the Ukrainian people or the Russian economy. What a shit show.

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>muh free press
doesnt mean shit in the age of internet

And what ideology do you think i follow? I don't have principles when it comes to politics, i don't really care about politics.
It's easy to post >tf>tp when you're out of the arguments and then sit there pretending you're smart.

Yes, the victory cult is also cancer

Soldiers dissecting killed enemies happens all the same in literally every single war ever
Same as killing POWs or raping women
Has always happened, will always happen
You don't actually believe your army is better right?

Yes, the Economist is even less relevant in the age of the internet, thank you.

I don't see why not, people bought the WMD line in Iraq and genocide line in Libya. Makes sense Russians would buy this.
Besides there are genuinely neo-nazis in Ukraine, not that Putin gives a shit beyond not having to admit why he's actually invading.

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>And Ukrainians fight as if it's a war for extermination
8 years of stoking a war in the east with direct involvment of troops/weapons and memory of what the soviet union did to them means they take it as a war of extermination or survival.
>Kys pathetic lying nazi dog. You're next.
I have already chosen the nicest swamp ponds for you and your buddies corpses. Come and see.

russia will inevitably fall apart
only country that still holds its colonies to this day

Have you considered that they're kind of angry that their country is being invaded for no real reason and that civilians are being indiscriminately targeted and slaughtered?

You're not wrong. But this is slightly different in terms of things like cultural connection. This is less like the US invading Iraq and more like the US invading Canada. And there was also a lot more shit going on in Iraq and Libya to present to boomers to rile them up and get them ready for another war.

nobody believes we aren't prone to state propoganda, we just aren't arrested for calling it bullshit

I think it is better cause they cared beforehand to take all the cellphones from soldiers to prevent exactly that from happenening.
Ukrainians all walk around with their celphones out and film like it's some sort of LARP or a paintball match. It's ridiculous.

france is trying hard but their military sucks even more than russian one. they couldnt even have projected power ti libya and begged help from amrica.

youtube.com/watch?v=zQ0c4_P2uno

Well i haven't seen Russians posting that shit
Azov is just a scape goat for putin
But i genuinely do not understand why are they still around
Its a terrible promotion material for the eu

Doesn't matter what Americans said, this kinda info has little bearing on what Putin thinks. But when all is said and done, Americans will be the ones to come out on top from this.

>They treat it as a war of extermination
To them it might as well be. They are fighting to be able to have their country determine it's own future. Not have it determined by others.

Nah China winns the most out all of it
They will buy so much our shit for basically free now

>Ukrainians all walk around with their celphones out and film like it's some sort of LARP or a paintball match. It's ridiculous.
They are doing it to show the world what you have done and show your "special military operation" for what it really is. And yes it comes with atrocities and I dont fault ukrainian people for it at all.

Because they were useful in the conflict in the Donbas, I guess. Evil men are useful in a fight. That said, they've clearly done far more damage to Ukraine in terms of propaganda potential then they probably ever did in the fighting.

kek have you seen that one video where the russian conscript was ripped apart by an RPG and only his asscheeks remained?

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>Authoritarianism being stable is a myth. Democracy is much better for big and diverse country.

Oh you poor springtime Soviet child. Outside of Anglo countries/cultures and cultures similar to them (Northern Europe really), democracies either exists as a total myth, a pseudo one party state farce, as corrupt kleptocracies, or collapses in less than a generation. France has had untold different governments since the French revolution, and Italy has not been politically stable since Mussolini. And these are Western European countries. Even within the United States itself, areas with a strong catholic background like Chicago are very corrupt, reliant on boss politics that is probably on par with Eastern Europe.

Dugin is an autist, but he is not wrong about the need for a "fourth political theory" since it is a sort of sick game that we insist governments do this dog and pony show of elections that most cultures are ill adapted to.

Sure it's not a one-to-one equivalence but the point is it's not hard to manufacture a threat to drum up support for an illegal (in the sense that anything you could call international law actually exists) war that runs counter to the general populations interest. The west has done it and probably will again, and so has Putin and probably will again.

Probably part of it. Listened to a professor from america talking about how if the US wanted to wreck Russia it should make the Russians involved in a forever war in Ukraine

Putin just killed two countries in one SWIFT blow. Every week spent in this war means several years of recouping its cost for Ukraine and Russia. I like Russian culture, its sad to see them go this way

>hey're kind of angry that their country is being invaded
Yeah i did. Succumbing to emotion is what turns a man into an animal. Emotional/angry man is not a man at all, but an irrational being without his own opinion, that is easily manipulated and brainwashed.
The utter lack of rationale is the problem among not just ukrainian soldiers but also politicians.

>people are now blaming the US for Russia invading Ukraine
you have got to be fucking kidding me

China comes in second. Russian assets and businesses are too toxic now, so they will have to tread carefully.

America is going to be Europe's new gas and oil station. I think it terms of loss and gain it's Ukraine < Russia < EU < US < other oil suppliers < China

China already paid.
It will be india buying up ng and petro cheap

Yes I have. I have watched weeks of war footage on Telegram. War is a job and I feel we should learn the job.
Whats most incredible to me is that russian mamas and babas dont care about their boys burning to crips in tincans at all and would rather shut the fuck up and fight over bags of sugar instead

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Do Russians care? I used to watch troops being killed in the ME for fun. The USA military is Rednecks and ghetto criminals so no one cares how many are killed.

>Even areas with a strong catholic background are very corrupt
WTF, what do you mean by "even"?

Catholicism is a synonym of corruption.

Source: my country

I mean those people are very likely the "saboteurs" who have featured in public humiliations, being tied to signs or publicly being beaten

And filling the gap in the wheat supply. Truly India superpower 202x. All will be redeemed.

subhuman freak

Except Ukraine can have hope for some sort of Marshall plan.
Russia will go drink itself to oblivion in its lonely corner and die of aids while dreaming of russkyi mir.

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nothing of value was lost, 99% of russian cultural achievements were from before commie times

Why are you watching gore?

>land
Which is frozen for 3/4ths the year
>oil
crashed twice in the last 6 years, unless there's a war going on with a major power involved it's not as profitable as you think.
Based and very redpilled.

When parents are put in prison for murder, the children suffer - they blindly support their parents out of loyalty but are innocent

i see the russian people as the children of the putin regime parents

i dont hate russians i hate what the russian regime is doing. just like i am disgusted by the wars of regime change the west has waged.

wars only end by negotiation. lets get on the table what putler really wants and see if we can end this madness

Dead russians sweeten the day
kek why are they like this?

Its going to be a mess. Russia and ukraine full war

During the planting season. Hopefully biden ends this on his trip this week.

And im the one who is an evil psycho

India is not even a top 20 wheat exporter, I doubt it would make a big difference

The coverage I watched in Belgium of the conflict in 2014-2015 was fairly impartial, a bit dry like the Isreal-Palestine conflict. Local separatism and complicated factional struggles. Now it's all
>did you know the ghost of kiev singlehandedly saved 14 kittens from the Russian invaders, apply to receive your refugees today!

You are responsible for it and you cant stomach watching it?

chinese east africa

>every single governor of every oblast is part of United Russia
I catch your drift but this isn't true, there's a handful of governors from other parties who actually beat their pro-United Russia opponent in an election. Also, the 2021 parliamentary elections could be considered a failure for United Russia, they failed to get over 50% in most regions and lost to the commies in 4 of them.

Talk shit get shit
Invade a country, get killed
Easy as that
Your side is the objectively evil one here

welke zender?

i hope more suka blyats get killed by that azov btr team in mariupol, they already have multiple vehicle kills

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i might be a total cunt and a scumbag online, i might say horrific things and bully people because i find it fun. I might even steal something from someone.

But i don't think i would ever watch some liveleak guro shit 'for fun' , i wouldn't mutilate the bodies of others myself, i wouldn't sell drugs, i wouldn't go around just murdering civies or random people for no reason and i wouldn't upload it on the internet.
There's a limit you know if i did any of the aformentioned things i would probably have lost respect for myself.

Rude

Put yourself in their shoes. You would have to be braindead to avoid getting angry upon seeing your friends and family murdered en masse and your neighborhood turned to rubble in pursuit of one man's passion project. Anger can be a destructive emotion, but its evolutionary benefit is that it motivates people to try and reclaim power over the situation they're in, so while it may motivate them to film and distribute scenes from the war or mistreat POWs, it's also what motivates them to defend their country against the invaders.

I mean we believed sadam threw babies out of incubators, and Gaddafi had weapons of ass destruction, so yeah probably

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>rosenberg

I used to when I was younger and apolitical
because I'm into IT, loved technology, etc.
not anymore

Fox news seems to think they exist

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Yeah i would drop the gun and prevented the bloodshed if i were in their shoes.
>You would have to be braindead to avoid getting angry
I call it rational.

I don't believe in this ideological conditioning of "give me liberty or death". Fuck it man, if people are saved, fuck the liberty. Live to fight another day.

>putin doesn't wanna see a mini-me version of russia turn into a successful democracy
Yep look at all those Russians fleeing to Afghanistan and Iraq right now lmao

>we're surrounded
>that simplifies the problem
best part about nationalists is they will fight to the death without surrendering

So you're telling us they got them surrounded 2 to 1 and yet Azov is still making them eat shit and managed to kill an admiral of the Crimea naval troops in the fucking process?
Dunno man, that seems embarrassing.