The jews dont want you knowing about Kratom

I mean at low doses you can barely feel the opioid effect and kratom is basically just a short acting antidepressant.

Do you feel like you could lose control if you were high? Do you have issues with control, maybe you feel that way because you lost something that meant something to you?

high. anything can be abused if you have that personality. Kratom saved me from decades of opiate abuse. As mentioned itt the withdrawals are as hard as kicking norcos

Go be a Jew somewhere else. Stop spreading your drug degeneracy.

well. its probably better than codeine and 100% better for people with opioid addictions. but its a treatment not cure, and u get withdrawal when you quit after 2 years of daily use (why would you not take it for 2 years, it just feels good). that can last months.
And I used to get really good shit from some guy in tiawan or somewhere around that region.

Makes sense. Kratom is awesome.
- Increases test
- Relaxing
- No hangover
- Can take it anywhere
- Long term shelf life
- Natural/non-synthetic

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i took it for depression.

I used to be addicted to this shit. I'm coming on half a year sober from it. Please please please, for the love of good don't take this stuff. People will tell you its not an opiate, chemically it might not be, but the withdrawals and getting off it has been compared to heroine withdrawals. Save yourself the pain, don't touch this shit with a 10 foot pole

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i enjoy driving more when I'm drunk, and enjoyment is the key to doing anything well.

>Go to Smoke shop to get CBD
>Faggot balding manlet tells me to try Kratom for pain
>Tell him I heard bad things about it, specially about hairless, liver damage, and opioid dependency
>Instantly goes ape shit manlet rage about how Kratom is the best thing ever and its the cure for all diseases

ngl I was willing to try but faggots who are pro-Kratom are almost an insufferable as weed smokers

Kratom seems different lately. I got a kilo of maeng da that does nothing I notice it foams more against lemon juice

And what a life it is! We all have a nice, bright future ahead!

>You cant drive drunk on alcohol, cant drive well anyways
I beg the differ

Kratom is overrated. The amount of green powder you have to use to get a buzz is ridiculous. If it was half the price, it might be worth it, but it's just not that special.

also this, if it activates opioid receptors its an opiate, iirc the dude who shilled it to me was taking like 5-7 pills daily for breakfast

Based.

Why not fix your life instead of taking an antidepressant? Chemical escapism is bad.

Ive heard this shit fucks you up just like SSRI's. I see the circle of shilled medicines.
This week is Kratom then we repeat the shill cycle -> Adderall/Vyvanse, Wellbutrin, NAC, Ivermectin, Kratom, repeat

You probably never used it right and never used good powder, combination of two factors. It can be pretty strong. Most people act like druggies and don't prepare it correctly.

i second, its absolutely horrible for your body, I experienced in plenty of ways

3 capsules is like 2 grams

drug addicts love to try to spread their habits, don't they?

Yuck, that stuff made me sick. Never touching that degenerate leftist powder.

or you could work out instead
no. i've done drugs before, so i speak from a position of experience in saying that sobriety is superior, in every sense. nothing wrought by drugs surmounts the purity of sobriety, the pellucidity of thought it brings, the sanctity of one's internal mechanisms must be upheld lest the darkness prevails. Sobriety is nonpareil in the spheres of human experience. Need I go on, or do you get the point?

Most people can use it without getting addicted. To get addicted to kratom you have to take embarrassing obviously problematic amounts

if you make life decisions based on some degenerate who might have done the same you're fucking retarded

Buaddiction. Wait until you're eating 2 Oz a day just to wake up
t. Kratom addict.

>or you could work out instead

Hard to work out when you're depressed and especially if you have chronic pain, if only there was something to break up the depression and alleviate the pain...

I take 15-25 grams daily. It’s been great for my body pains that I used to treat with pain killers and then enbrel. It isn’t for every one and shouldn’t be promoted recreationally but people can do whatever they want I just ask that they attempt to be responsible and hold themselves accountable so perfect chemicals stop taking on the consequences of idiots or people being people.

did it raise your BP?

So you did drugs and you had a bad time and blame the drugs so you swear off the drugs. Got it

Don't do it, it's super addictive. I was hooked on it for like 10 years, I was doing a minimum of 2 ounces a day. The last couple years I was just taking it to stop withdrawal, I wasn't even making me feel good.

Yeah it's probably the chink "refined" version that will inevitably turn you into a cancerous faggot eventually.

I have the suspicion that as kratom got more popular it started being grown on plantations (with depleted soil) much more leading to weaker shit.

56 grams of kratom a day. You are an absolute mad man. Do you also weigh over 200 pounds?

did you end up developing liver damage?

I can't risk taking too much kratom and end up more fucked up than I am now.

Are you fucking insane?

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>Why not fix your life instead of taking an antidepressant?
It's not so easy.

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extremely high if you make it a daily habit, and its an opioid, so its very insidious how it creeps in. psyched substance just had his family leave him because of his kratom addiction.

>- Increases test
more likely the opposite. nukes most peoples sex drive at minimum. lots of stories of hair loss.
> Natural/non-synthetic
maybe as long as you're not buying it from some hindu hut headshop, even from reputable sources not totally reliable.

one really interesting thing about it is its the opposite of an immunosuppressant this is cool until you want to stop and on top of withdrawls you immediately get a nasty cold

in summary it can be a useful crutch to quite opiates or alcohol but I'd avoid getting into it if its just for the hell of it

No one on this site is under 350lbs.

Kratom made me feel good for 5 minutes, then I vomited and vowed to never take it again. It's simply not for me. I prefer to stay sober, thanks.

Mix two teaspoons of kratom into water, I recommend getting a 24 oz mixer bottle that can shake up protein shakes to do this as this is the perfect amount so that you can barely taste it.

Trying to down that powder without mixing it is fucking awful, and I don't take the pills because buying bags is easier and cheaper.

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you suffer from fear. you need to address your fears head on or you will always work at walmart

I just have pills. Can't risk fucking up.

You can also use 1 tablespoon but thats a very high dose that can make you feel nauseous and vomit it all up. Also my heart races like crazy when I take to much, be careful.

That's not how you use it retard.

Why is it EVERY kratom thread nobody makes tea? It doesn't work if you don't make it into tea you're getting like 10% potency you tards

> t. Neet

My fears consist of ending up homeless, hungry, and subsequently dying in the winter.

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It literally doesn't do shit. Tried it a thousand times and it does nothing but make me nauseous.

Most of the alkaloids in kratom have tiny water solubility.

>just be sober and play 15 hours of vidya a day
If you can manage to live in this world sober its because you are to retarded to understand the gravity of the situation.

>My fears consist of ending up homeless, hungry, and subsequently dying in the winter.
thats what im talking about. you need to let go. you will realize you are harder to kill than you think

I'm currently trying to get off of it. It helped change my life when I stopped drinking and using opiates/benzos but now that is years behind me and I've spent way more time with kratom than I expected. Addiction to kratom is unhealthy and trying to feel better through the use of drugs (be it natural or synthetic) will only dig you further into the hole.

Also wondering. Just got out of a major surgery a couple weeks ago. The only thing besides Tylenol offered to me was oxys. I ended up getting really sick, miserable and soooo constipated I could barely take a shit.

That only lasted two or so days after before I switched to edible canna gummies.. my point and question for anyone who may be familiar with kratom..

Would it work on post op pain safely? Has anyone had experience or can point me to info?

I will require another surgery here soon to remove some hardware, not looking forward to it but refuse to ever take oxy again. Will be sneaking my gummies in for post op.

Bro you're not getting the alkaloids through the cell wall. You're not digesting the powder before it goes through you. You have to make tea and should potentiate with lemon

Only crackheads don't make tea

I know. I made a pedophile "dissapear" 20+ years ago.

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fpbp

people often make the mistake that depression is going to just pass if you wait around and take drugs (notwithstanding psychotropic medications which should only be used in literally hopeless cases) or whatever bullshit copes they come up with, but the reality is you have to get off your ass, and work for your happiness. no one's going to hand you that shit. whether it be remodeling your schedule, intensive cognitive behavioral therapy, or yes, fucking exercise, you're not going to rise out of a depression just by laying on your ass and taking kratom or any of that garbage. plain and simple.
>you don't know what depression is!
fuck you, i've been in and out of mental hospitals since i was a little boy, and my first memory is of my mother in one. i've witnessed her scrape herself off the fucking asphalt and become someone who clutches joy with every ounce of her being, and i've followed in kind. you fucking people need to stop trying to point the finger and "hope" that everything's just going to turn out well.
as to chronic pain, i hate to say it, but you're fucking up there, as well. the moment you're reliant on an opiate to relieve pain, you're dooming yourself to increasingly higher doses until *BAM* you're addicted, then you're addicted on top of what is becoming an increasingly ineffective method of treatment, which is only going to further decrease your capacity for pain management in a time of need. it's not ideal to have to live with pain simple as, but life isn't fucking easy. obviously, terminal instances don't come into this. arguably, there's nothing that should stop one from alleviating that sort of pain when facing an impending death.
uh, no. i've used several different drugs in my life, experienced quite a bit of the magnificent highs they can indeed achieve, but even then, sobriety tops them all. unambiguously. you can smirk and scoff all you want, but in the end, your life is simply better sober.