I have seen notable "white nationalists" in like Thomas Sewell. I listen to their podcasts, and their ideas, at most they can all default to the accelerationist position, "collapse imminent, we must form a parallel society" Nazi Amish, till the land, move to the rural areas, blah blah blah
What a fantasy, have we not learnt from the fate of the "Old believers" at the hands of the bolsheviks? More organized, and for centuries they cultivated the lands, kept to themselves, were clean of all forms of degenerate cosmopolitanism, and yet they were rounded up in the rural areas, starved, and slaughtered, in a time of relative technological illiteracy. Imagine what ZOG could do now, with all the various military equipment, bombs, and all the rest. Would this "Futuristic nazi Amish larp" really pan out? No.
I can't tell which side you're rooting for. White nationalists and sjws and all those kinds of people really need their own countries they can live in so other people don't have to be around them
Alexander Cook
>I can't tell which side you're rooting for
White nationalism
Ian Bailey
If the Old Believers didn't surreptitiously arm themselves, didn't have a stay-behind operation, didn't infiltrate mainstream institutions, didn't curate an intelligence network… they didn't really build a viable alternative and were doomed from the start.
The right way to think about a “parallel society” is to consider its limited but ongoing cohabitation with the mainstream. If it's not embedded, it's not parallel — it's just a disloyal expat colony and will be dealt with accordingly.
For an example of successful parallel societies, consider Zionists and Nazis (who may or may not be under the same umbrella) both of whom have established viable embedded parallel societies.
Juan Robinson
I agree with the point of your post (IE >"Not doing anything is retarded and will get you killed" but the idea that the collapse WONT come (or for that matter hasn't ALREADY come) is i would argue fundimentally incorrect. Alread the international liberal system is unable to enforce the hedgemonic ideology and following social-economy it once did with whole regions breaking off utterly from their controll from afghanistan to russia (not to say putin is uncontrolled by the way, just that his actitions partially intended or not have destroyed the global economy and government) the question IS not whether or not the system will collapse. It will inevitable and infact i would argue already has. The question is whether or not we as a people survive such. And it is for that question which we ought strive and must if we wish our children to have a future.
>The right way to think about a “parallel society” is to consider its limited but ongoing cohabitation with the mainstream. If it's not embedded, it's not parallel — it's just a disloyal expat colony and will be dealt with accordingly.
Exactly
David Barnes
When Rome falls, become a barbarian.
Unfortunately change can only come with violence, through a clear hatred of civilization, if you intend to try to win the game with its same rules, I'm sorry, you've already lost. Those who wish acceleration, organize and infiltrate are wasting their time and they end up assimilated. You need to be willing to die, kill and destroy and modern man is constantly being tamed and castrated.
Barbarians had military supremacy and all the power, then they became the kings of Italy. They didn't just LARP in rural areas. They crushed the state.
Dominic Cook
You might find the Molokane to be interesting. They colonized the Caucuses for the Czar. They bought and sold wheat. Later cooperated with the Soviet government, oppressing the locals. Eg helping to run the KGB in that area. I guess that is what it is like to be a mercantile minority. When USSR fell they got expelled back to Russia.
Juan Anderson
I am not advocating playing a game with the same rules, user. Actually, if you read carefully, you'll see that I am not advocating anything at all.
I was addressing OP's question and pointing out examples of successful parallel societies to countervail his example of a failed parallel society, and noting some of their distinguishing features.
FWIW, the Zionists and the Nazis were (are) indeed willing to “die, kill, and destroy” — and did (do).
Anyway, be a barbarian if you wish. But remember that even barbarians are going to need a plan for the aftermath of… whatever it is you envision.
The Visigoths, famously “barbarian”, ruled equitably after the “fall” of Rome, and were appreciated by her citizens; indeed, contemporary accounts lament their abdication to Justinian and Theodora, who were certifiable psychopaths.
But YMMV.
Caleb Taylor
That's what i'm implying user, take the cartel pill or wait for god to destroy everything in the future.
Honest mistake, I should have specified, I got carried away by: >it's just a disloyal expat colony and will be dealt with accordingly.
I never implied that barbarians were wild animals, behavior attributed to any "insurgent" group (including communities that wants to alternate even a little from the state). There is a stigma about violence and disobedience, and as you mention, those in charge use it at will, which would show the actual approach to solve it, obviously you need plans and a vision but "barbarians" were not drooling retards, drooling retards are not capable of dominion.
Jayden Brooks
Thank you for your gentlemanly reply, user. I salute you from across the pond.
Please, forgive the unintentionally inflammatory phrase “disloyal expat colony” — it was meant to communicate how the state regards attempts at establishing “parallel societies”… without using a term favored by the state (“domestic terrorist cell” or “extremist militia”, for example).
As for the stereotyping of barbarians and the stigma associated with the use of kinetic force, you speak the truth. And, although I don't (as a matter of principle) “self-identify”, I would not take offense at being called a barbarian. FWIW.
Carter Sanders
What's your alternative? Everything else has been a total failure.
Noah Perry
Thank you for bringing the Molokan to our attention, user.
It's interesting that, arguably, this community was officially tolerated partly on the prospect of their utility to the empire, and were forced to relocate for the same reason later on.
I wonder whether an intentional minority who live apart from the majority (like the Molokan back in the day) counts as a (viable) parallel society for OP.
Cooper Johnson
Indeed, the Goths prevailed by force and ruled with the support of the citizens until they fell to Bizantine treachery and moved to the Iberian peninsula. Clearly a step above modern militias that “LARP in rural areas” (I'm gonna borrow that).
The average modern militia is a sad amateur op compared to the barbarians that took Rome on. They didn't just defeat the hegemonic power — they went on to run the state credibly for some time.
Angel Garcia
Thomas sowell isn't a white nationalist you chud.
Adam Martin
Leaf moment
Nicholas Myers
>That's what i'm implying user, take the cartel pill or wait for god to destroy everything in the future. what a shitty analogy, Mexico isn't being invaded by another adversarial state actor
William Perez
i'm an accelerationist only because it makes conservatards seethe when they get overwhelmed by rainbow flags and the sight of racial minorities or gay people.
Ian Bell
You guys want the Druze rather than the Old Believers. In the lebanon war the muslims kept trying to kill the Druze, but the Druze were organized in their own towns and areas and well equipped to deal with muslims.
Michael Peterson
This post is so painfully boomer it gave me an aneurysm.
Kevin Walker
>Imagine what ZOG could do now, with all the various military equipment, bombs, and all the rest Tell that to the Taliban
