Russia is not a "superpower"

If you cant even dominate a bordering country who is by every measure inferior on paper. Exhibit A (pic related) is a real global super power who can project its power halfway across the world and dominate a regional super power with ease. Russia made a mistake and should have continued to hide behind propaganda, but instead pathetically revealed their actual capability

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Amuttica also bombed Iraqi cities to the stone age since day 1, was not trying to preserve infrastructure, was completely backed by half of the world and was fighting a semi rogue state with a stone age army

Yeah but you bombed the shit out of whole cities killing thousands of civilians, which was the main reason for the strong post war insurgency

Also good luck having an urban warfare with tall buildings and not just huts in the dessert

Strange because the entire world is seething at Putin's actions and the only thing the world is fighting with is virtue. Not even our dollars are worth anything on the international stage. Sanctions were put in place to make it look like we are the ones with value.

except your cope doesnt change the fact that the civilian casualties in both invasions are currently similar, and the ukranian civilian deaths will certainly go up once russia starts pushing into the larger cities. So you are wrong there

On the second point, iraq was literally a regional superpower and are far better equip than ukraine. In fact the hardware ukraine uses today has been used by Iraq since the late 80s when it was considered modern. Cope

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Russia is conducting a primarily land-based invasion trying to secure strategic points and minimize civilian casualties. USA indiscriminately bombed a Stone Age country even farther back into the Stone Age.

If Russia really wanted to go scorched earth they could have just nuked Ukraine and not even dispatched a single unit. Obviously that’s not their objective, hence different priorities and different tactics.

And besides all that, America kicked ass and killed a lot of people, but what did they accomplish? 20 years, billions if not trillions of dollars, a million total deaths, and you faggots just bitched out and left the entire region to be recaptured by the taliban anyway (in Afghanistan at least). What a fail and waste of time that was, the place is no different whatsoever than before you “won”.

blah blah america bombs to stone age blah. Youve been debunked already in the post above you, leaf. The US uses extremely expensive precision weapons just for this fact. To reduce casualties. But you idiots continue to spam this fairy tale with zero backup

Crap points. Iraq had a shit military and outdated equipment, Ukraine is being given state of the art NATO equipment by the west, and the entire west is sanctioning the shit out of Russia. USA invaded Iraq, a shithole (regional power doesn’t mean much when your region is in the Stone Age), with the full force of its air power, no sanctions, help from allies, and with the Iraqis receiving zero help from anyone. Not apples to apples faggot.

user, Russia isnt superpower since the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia as superpower was illusion, and that illusion dissolved with the invasion to Ukraine.
- absolutely incompetent army in so many ways
- retro army, hi-tech only on paper and parades (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)
- whole country frozen in 80s
- rich and/or smart ones lives outside Russia
- weak economy
- corrupted
- only 145mil ppl
- so many internal problems

And after this public performance, no one takes Russia seriously.

They only have nuclear weapons. And guess what. They won't use them.

Putin - family in Swiss,
Peskov - owns half of Paris
Lavrov - family in UK
whole Kremlin and the entire ruling group - westerners...

Yeah, lot of good any of that did for you as your faggot military high tailed it out of the region after two decades of accomplishing nothing. Precision weapons that avoided civilian casualties…yet you ended up killing a million people for nothing anyway, congrats. Why don’t you start a war with Vietnam again, that was also a great feat of military accomplishment too right? Fat faggot burger.

>russia is not a superpower
old news

ah look at him. He lost on all his points so he goes totally off topic

This is about successfully invading a country, stay on topic. The russians are struggling horribly to even get past the invasion phase let alone the insurgency phase. But you keep sucking that putin dick vatnik

The mutt invasion of Iraq ended up killing hundreds of thousands and destroyed the infrastructure, muttie. As for equipment, Ukraine can rely on a lot of state of the art western weapon system, Iraq had refurbished old soviet tech at best

>the mutt cope about iraq
The iraqi army was never that big, had no real capabilities after 10 years of embargo and only the Fedayeen Saddam really fought (arround 50k fighter).
America's fiercest adversaries were Darth Vader cosplayers...

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>was it worth killing 500,000 children?
>Madeleine Albright: yes

You better stfu while you’re ahead, retard. Can’t wait for American civil war 2.0

>more Ukie cope

>had no real capabilities after 10 years of embargo
can bring up the gulf war if you want, before the embargo. The result is only more hilarious for the iraqis.

except the civilian death count in the invasion is only 3-7k genius. Similar numbers to the Russian invasion. Keep spouting this myth tho memeflaggot

The iraqi army was better equip than the ukranians, had war experience, and bagdad was arguably one of the most fortified cities on the planet at the time. They had some of the most expansive air defenses ever. The Ukrainians dont even have a single surface to air missile unit. All they have are western rockets given to them, thats it

Why did we attack Iraq?

how mant wars of this scale competed in under a month? , even the invasion of poland took a month, and they had way more man power , this conflict looks like a gentle fingering by comparison

thats irrelevant. I was strongly against the middle east wars. We are simply discussing conventional military capabilities between the two countries.

>whole Kremlin and the entire ruling group - westerners...

The worst part: it's always been like that, at least since Peter the great.

The point is, America can occupy 2 countries for 20 years. Still have a military base in Iraq. Build a national army and put a puppet government in place in Afghanistan. Only later to lose the “hearts and minds” in a civil war where they’re puppet government was getting btfo’d. So they left.

Russia is in desperation mode atm. If they don’t take Kiev within a week or two, they will be in full blown quagmire mode. They are rich and powerful enough to keep that going for as long as America and NATO. Putin just fucked up and expected little resistance. He tried the blitz which required a highly oroganized and efficient military leadership. Now he’s in deep shit. Which is why Russia has turned to more primitive warfare tactics. Don’t compare Russia to America/NATO. They aren’t even in the same league.

>can bring up the gulf war
>attack Iraq after 10 years of fighting in the third most importante war of the 20s
Yeah, sure.
You show us faggot. Iraq was totally in shape to fight a good fight after 10 years of fighting in what is the most important war after WW1 and WW2...
Damn stop sucking US MSM and establishment dick for a second please. All that propaganda melted your brain.

*they aren’t rich and powerful enough to keep that going

20's years old Rooskier:

>NOO NOOO RUSSIA IS STILL A SUPERPOWER!!
>He feels sexually attracted to Putin
>IT'S WESTERN PROPAGANDA
>Sometimes calls Russia 'Motherland' but he's not Russian
>KIEV WILL FALL TOMORROW
>Only consumes Kremlim propaganda media

Yes, everyone knows that, only Russians themselves do not know that.
The whole show is for a Russian audience.

This is 2014 stats.

Iraq didn't have a mechanised army. They had a North Korea-tier army with bloated conscription and 60s Soviet tech.

Ukraine unironically actually has a NATO-tier army with combined arms and integrated air defence and the Russians aren't levelling entire cities.

Iraq war 2 wasn't universally loved by the media and elites back then. There was some push back and whistle blowing going on when the NeoCohens were fabricating WMD evidence. There was massive anti war protests before the invasion as well.

Russia is avoiding as many civilian causalities as possible, that is the sole reason they are moving slowly. You are making the usual mistake dumb fucks have been making since the start of this. In a *REAL* war with Ukraine, Russia would have flattened it within a day. Shut your dumb ass up.

I think objective is primary for military and what capabilities are used. The objective defines the tools used.

Doesn’t matter. Russia won’t be able to sustain any kind of quagmire/insurgency for more than a year. They are toast. They tried to be a super power but they are pretty much just Italy tier with a shit load of nukes.

America has NEVER won a war. Ever. Fuck off and suck on that copium you worthless sack of shit.