Constantly and publicly telling your enemy what you WON'T do is fucking retarded. Who is he easing with this nonsense?
Constantly and publicly telling your enemy what you WON'T do is fucking retarded. Who is he easing with this nonsense?
Justin Smith
Joshua Young
how? he's making it clear, by not using the media, to say that he outright does not want escalation, but will defend territories that are attacked
Adam Gray
Why the fuck is the US constantly in fear of escalating with Russia? Why isn't the stance that Russia should be in fear of escalating with the US/NATO?
Henry Barnes
it's right there in the statement, user: don't fuck with us, because that will lead to something catastrophic (ww3)
anyway, this is an obvious statement that has been made numerous times throughout the last two weeks: nobody wants a world war, and nobody from the US or europe will be the one to start it, it'll only start if russia decides to move first
ukraine is a situation of "not my problem" where we're all happy to help, but will not directly set foot on the soil itself; this statement also rules out any potential false flag bullshit russia might want to start for any weird reason
in times like these the media also has no idea what it's doing, it's reporting nonsense from both sides endlessly; so direct statements that say "we're not doing shit, but if you want to fuck with us by stepping on our soil, then you've got a problem" have an impact when they're direct from the source itself
Jose Cooper
Putin is never attacking a NATO member. So, you are just saying you will definitely do a thing on the event of a thing that never will happen, and at the same time assure Putin he can do whatever he wants in Ukraine.
Now Putin is beginning to recognise that any weapons shipped into Ukraine will be considered escalatory. Then what? One more sweep of economic sanctions will mean the US is a participant of the war now. What then?
David Russell
honestly its already started.
>belarus sending specialist battalion
>japan claiming sovereignty over the noth islands
>russia recruiting sand niggers
>fucktard white knights with no combat experience going over to be slaughtered in the worlds latest genocide.
>war crimes etc. etc
is only a matter of time before it escalates. i just don't know why dementia patient here refuses to accept that.
Angel Reyes
That is how you allow your enemy to walk all over you. You need to scare the shit out of them into not knowing where your boundaries are, so they do even less than they actually could.
This was Trump's greatest strength in foreign policy, he was a legit madman that commit acts of war in front of the president of China all while only complimenting the cake he was eating.
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Gabriel Gutierrez
He is conceding Ukraine to Russia. He is saying the US will not enter the Ukraine-Russia war because Ukraine is not NATO.
By default that means Russia takes Ukraine
Brayden Thomas
those are pretty easy to detect as mere threats, putin won't create a much bigger mess from this simply from sanctions and the sending of weapons/equipment alone; the west is more likely to face economic war rather than physical war, which is precisely what has been the case so far
future wars aren't meant to be physical for the most part, they're meant to be financial since finance runs everything, and if you remove the opposition's ability to make money and finance themselves, you're bleeding them dry in a similarly destructive way as physical damage
naturally europe/nato doesn't approve of what russia is doing in ukraine which is why we're providing certain things to them in the first place
yet countries are denying their people from actually trying to join, saying not to do it; it's very different when the government actually says "yes go on, we'll provide support to you as well"
the recruitment from outside countries are those countries just going "i mean, we won't say no if you want to join..." because why would they say no?
that is pretty much what's happening now, even by providing aid to ukraine it's a method of saying "this is the gear we have, this is just a fraction of what we're capable of"
Bentley Sanders
We are now too afraid to give the gear because Putin "might" bomb the supplies. Putin doesn't need to tweet out a dozen times a day "don't give Ukraine fighter jets"
Michael Murphy
>Now Putin is beginning to recognise that any weapons shipped into Ukraine will be considered escalatory. Then what? One more sweep of economic sanctions will mean the US is a participant of the war now. What then?
NATO is just leaving it to Putin to fire the first shot, if he dares to attack anything NATO it's WWIII and he knows it.
Nobody wants WWIII as it would be shit for all but Russia has no chance of winning, their best scenario is everyone including themselves getting obliterated, which is hardly a desirable outcome. Everything else is just empty posturing
Brayden Garcia
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Brandon Brown
Jokes on you, he will not defend NATO territories either.
Ethan Kelly
and if he did bomb them, we all know that's the green light for nato to take action, it's clear they'll try to avoid that, but also try to find ways around it
Jayden Jones
>We are now too afraid to give the gear because Putin "might" bomb the supplies
source?
Hudson Cook
Nobody wants WWIII. So, why would the US participating in the war start WWIII? Surely there's a line that can be crossed which should demand a military response? At the very least the possibility should have been left on the table rather than this stupid clown constantly saying it can never happen.
Nathaniel Phillips
A nuclear war would be catastrophic and if the point of all this is to help the Ukrainians then escalating it to a nuclear war doesn't even achieve that because nuclear war is also catastrophic for them.
I get why people want Biden to press a button and fix all the bad things in the world but that button doesn't exist. American power has limits. We can't just go and shoot Russians and expect the Russians to let us.
>"putin is bluffing he'd never use nukes!"
Yeah, maybe.
Hudson Wood
Art of war: tell your enemy your plans
Gabriel Clark
I notice Bidens little blurbs always have him starting about want to be clear.
Thomas Hall
Jonathan Thomas
>So, why would the US participating in the war start WWIII?
We're already participating in the war. We're sending billions of dollars of guns and ammo and there is every reason to expect that this strategy will work. Why do more?
>Surely there's a line that can be crossed which should demand a military response?
Yeah and that line is the border of NATO countries.
I agree that we have been too soft on Russia for too long. All the West has ever wanted is to sit here in peace and count our dollars and to do so we have sacrificed every principle and value that we ever thought we cared about, and that is a fucking crime. And maybe Ukraine would not have been invaded if we had indicated to Putin back in 2014 or 2008 or some other time that we were strong and would hold him to account. The West has made mistakes. But an overreaction now is only a further mistake, and it won't undo the mistakes of the past.
>At the very least the possibility should have been left on the table rather than this stupid clown constantly saying it can never happen.
We want to give Putin certainty about what we will and won't do so that he doesn't have to be afraid and then react out of fear.
Logan Reyes
I'm so tired of this nuclear war horseshit. Military engagement with Russia will not automatically fucking mean WWIII or a nuclear war.
It's such a stupid and confused mentality to even have. You think people like Putin will go nuts and just launch nukes everywhere the moment a fighter jet with an American emblem shoots one of their planes down, but Putin is just sensible and sane enough to carefully go right up to the line of NATO/US engagement but never cross it somehow, magically.
Brody Rivera
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Angel Roberts
>I'm so tired of this nuclear war horseshit.
You'll be a lot more tired of it if it actually happens lol.
>Military engagement with Russia will not automatically fucking mean WWIII or a nuclear war.
Sure, but why risk it?
Seriously.
Why risk it?
What is the upside to flying a bunch of US air force planes into Russia tomorrow and bombing their airbases?
David Carter
>We're already participating in the war. We're sending billions of dollars of guns and ammo and there is every reason to expect that this strategy will work. Why do more?
I mean, that's exactly Putin's next move, to regard just arms shipment as an act of war. And then, I don't know, we'll see how pathetic the West against a petrol station masquerading as a country.
>Sure, but why risk it?
Why the fuck are you constantly afraid of "risking" it against Russia, the warmongering aggressor in this crisis?
Isaiah Murphy
it's a shame russians are pussies and accept being cucked to death; they could end this now by storming jewtin and killing him
Luke Wood
The upside is the war fucking ends. The war is continuing because nobody is stopping it and Putin is assured every day by King Clown that nobody will stop him.
I have no idea where this pathetic and incredibly silly mentality of not wanting to "risk" it against the aggressor comes from, but it's a retarded mentality and makes no sense. How the fuck is Putin determining the terms of this engagement?
Dominic Diaz
lmao
Evan Adams
>I mean, that's exactly Putin's next move, to regard just arms shipment as an act of war.
Then let him. We can't control what Putin does.
>Why the fuck are you constantly afraid of "risking" it against Russia
Because Russia has nukes.
History is full of people who took risks that didn't pay off. Russia took a huge risk invading Ukraine and we're watching it not pay off in real time. Your assumptions are not always correct and your information is not always right.
The consequences of nuclear war would be catastrophic. And what do we gain from taking the gamble? Helping the Ukrainians? Nuclear war won't help the Ukrainians.
The only way escalation makes sense is if we know for a fact that Putin won't use nukes and we don't so it doesn't. We are getting what we want out of this conflict. Even the Ukrainians are getting what they want out of it - with the level of support we are offering I'm confident that Ukraine will be free 10 years from now. Whether it has to go through a brief and brutal period of occupation depends on how the war evolves but the occupation will never last. Risking nuclear war does not even help the people we are trying to help.
I also want to see Russia brought to heel. I wish I lived in a world where bad things didn't happen. And we are slowly - slowly - getting there. One country at a time. One anti-corruption reform at a time. Over generations. Over centuries. And one day our descendants will breathe free and peaceful air on a planet that is governed democratically and competently without borders or walls or wars. But nobody can snap their fingers and make that happen today any more than they could have done it in 1786 when perfidious Albion first arrived and turned your people into slaves.
A failed war against a new democracy is tragic but it's better than the world used to be and the world will get better still. Don't lose hope comrade.
Robert Bennett
>How the fuck is Putin determining the terms of this engagement?
He's not lol. British weapons are killing Russians right now in Ukraine. Do you think Putin likes that? Russia is the poorest country in Europe as of now. Do you think that was part of Putin's plan?
We are hurting Putin and he's not happy about it and he can't stop us.
There is no need to do more, and much risk in doing so.
Brody Thomas
>History is full of people who took risks that didn't pay off. Russia took a huge risk invading Ukraine and we're watching it not pay off in real time.
pretty much this too; even if he does take it in the end, the sanctions alone are a fucking huge blow to the country and they won't just end a month or two later, there's serious damage being done
the best play is ultimately no play, let things take their course; maybe ukraine and russia come to a conclusion and this ends; maybe ukraine wins; maybe russia wins; regardless of the outcome, russia fucked itself over and this definitely isn't turning out how they intended
>British weapons are killing Russians right now in Ukraine.
Jace Martin
Wow he has no balls at all lmao.
Noah Carter
WHAT war you stupid cunt? What gas fucking happened that engages the US even slightly? This is Ukraine getting invaded by Russia, it has fucking nothing to do with us. Why should we even fucking care? Let's get American children nuked because Russia doesn't want NATO nukes installed in their own backyard, right? How noble if us. Fucking kill yourself you stupid commie