Why is Russia indiscriminately shelling civilians...

Why is Russia indiscriminately shelling civilians? Do they want the populace of the cities they're occupying to hate them?

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So all the imbeciles will have something to post about on Any Forums

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It's a cry of powerlessness frustration and impotence. They can't win militarily and they know their impending doom so it's their edgy, angsty spurt

Because Russia is a pure terrorist entity and its existence is a crime against humanity

The conflict in Donbas emerged following the ‘Euromaidan’, which both preceded and affected this conflict by producing a spiral of escalating violence and overthrowing Viktor Yanukovych and his Party of Regions-led government. Mass anti-government protests started in Ukraine at the end of November 2013 after the Yanukovych government abruptly changed its decision to sign an association and free trade agreement with the European Union. The conflict escalated and turned violent around 4:00 am on 30 November after special police units (Berkut) violently dispersed a relatively small group of protesters on the Maidan. Some evidence indicates that this police violence was exploited because Maidan leaders and the Inter TV channel, which broadcast it live, knew in advance about the planned police assault.

The mass protests against the police violence followed on 1 December in Kyiv City. In addition to peaceful rallies, they included seizures of the Kyiv City Hall and the Trade Union Building by a radical wing of the opposition and a violent attack led by radical nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations and football ultras, which formed the Right Sector, on the presidential administration. Yanukovych attempted again to disperse protesters on the Maidan by force and adopted laws restricting the freedoms of assembly and protest. At the end of January, the far-right elements of the opposition, led by the Right Sector and football ultras, led an attack on the parliament. The attack escalated the conflict, and it resulted in a violent confrontation and a stand-off with the special police and interior troops units. Various evidence suggests that the killings of the first three protesters in January, as well as some other highly publicized but unresolved cases of violence which the opposition attributed to the Yanukovych forces, were in fact false flag operations designed to further escalate the conflict.

The investigation under both the Yanukovych and Maidan governments determined that they were killed from close distance in the Maidan-controlled area. The Prosecutor General Office of Ukraine since the end of 2014 has been investigating leaders and members of UNA-UNSO, one of the founding organizations of the Right Sector, as suspects in the killings of these three Armenian, Belarusian, and Western Ukrainian protesters and another protester who was killed on 18 February.

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Maidan opposition leaders initially condemned the 1 December and the January attacks as ‘provocations’, while Yanukovych resorted to negotiations with the leaders of the pro-Western opposition under pressure from the protesters and the Western governments, primarily the US government, which generally sided with the opposition. However, on 18 February 2014, the Maidan Self-Defence and the Right Sector attempted to storm the parliament during a ‘Euromaidan’ opposition march. They attacked the police units guarding the parliament with ‘Molotov cocktails’ and stones, burned the Party of Regions headquarters, and killed one of its employees. Special police units and ‘titushki’ dispersed and beat both the violent attackers and peaceful protesters. At least several protesters were killed as a result of this dispersal and a stampede. In a major escalation of the conflict, concealed shooters started to use live ammunition against both protesters and the police during these clashes. They killed about two dozen protesters on 18 and 19 February and nine Berkut policemen and Interior Troops servicemen. The opposition-led protesters also seized regional administrations, police, and security services headquarters in Western Ukraine and some other regions, primarily in the Center. In contrast, the opposition protests in Eastern and Southern Ukraine, especially in Crimea and Donbas, during the ‘Euromaidan’ were limited, and they were often confronted there by the pro-government ‘titushki’.

The Yanukovych government attempted to seize the Maidan and its headquarters in the Trade Union buildings following the 18 February attacks on the parliament and the Party of Regions headquarters. But after these attempts to seize the Maidan and the Maidan Self-Defence and Right Sector headquarters at the occupied Trade Union building in Kyiv City were stopped by use of live ammunition from elements of the Maidan opposition, including the Right Sector, and by their burning down of that building, Yanukovych agreed to negotiations with opposition leaders on 19 February 2014. A truce deal was negotiated between Yanukovych and the opposition leaders. However, shortly after midnight on 20 February, the leader of the Right Sector stated that his organization did not accept this truce, and threatened to use force to oust the government.

A study of the publicly available evidence suggests that the government of Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown as a result of mass killings of the police and protesters on 18–20 February and that elements of the ‘Euromaidan’ oppositional far-right and oligarchic parties, specifically the Right Sector, Svoboda and Fatherland, were involved in this violence in order to gain power after the mostly peaceful mass protests had failed to achieve such an outcome. Such evidence includes publicly available videos and photos of suspected shooters, live statements by the Maidan announcers, radio intercepts of the actual ‘shooters’, and snipers and commanders from the special Alfa unit of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), ballistic and medical examinations, eyewitness reports by both Maidan protesters and government special units commanders, public statements by the government officials, similar ammunition and weapons used against the police and the protesters, and similar types of wounds among both protesters and the police.

If Yanukovych had implemented initial plans to use force, including live ammunition and military units to suppress the ‘Euromaidan’, this would likely have resulted in a large number of casualties among the protesters, and a full-fledged uprising in the opposition stronghold in Western Ukraine, and likely civil war. But in order to preserve his power after the ‘snipers’ massacre’ had severely undermined his legitimacy among his supporters – even in his party’s strongholds in Eastern and Southern Ukraine – he agreed to a compromise deal with the opposition, negotiated with the participation of the foreign ministers of France, Germany, Poland, and a Russian government representative on 21 February 2014. Yanukovych, however, fled from Kyiv and then from Ukraine after radical elements of the ‘Euromaidan’ opposition reneged on the compromise agreement and threatened to resume violence if he did not resign.

The US government and major EU countries de facto backed this violent overthrow of the relatively pro-Russian government by reneging on 21 February deal and immediately recognizing the new government of Ukraine. The issue of the potential involvement of the US government or governments of the EU states in the Yanukovych government overthrow requires further research. There are certain indications that the US government engaged in a ‘regime change’ during the ‘Euromaidan’, but to date many government sources concerning these events are not available.

theres no civilians in ukraine

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Cuz the Jews are arming untrained civilians and getting them killed on purpose.

The violent overthrow of the relatively pro-Russian government, specifically by means of mass killings of the police and protesters, was a tipping point in the conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine. President Putin used this overthrow and its backing by the governments of the US and EU countries to radically change his policy towards Ukraine. The Russian government started to pursue secession of Crimea with the help of direct military intervention since the end of February 2014 and the annexation of Crimea by Russia in March 2014 in a violation of international law. Such direct Russian backing of separatism in Crimea and the annexation of this region by Russia also encouraged separatists in other regions with significant ethnic Russian populations, such as Donbas, Kharkiv, and Odesa.

The mass killing of the protesters and the police that resulted in the overthrow of the Yanukovych government was also a critical juncture in the separatist rebellion in Donbas in Eastern Ukraine. The overthrow of the government led to a power vacuum in the Donetsk and Luhansk Regions, which were – until then – strongholds of Yanukovych and his Party of Regions. Starting in March 2014, unarmed and armed separatists seized and occupied regional administrations, security service (SBU), and police headquarters in Donetsk, Luhansk, and other cities and towns in the regions. Igor Strelkov and other members of his armed group of Russian nationalists arrived from Russia via Crimea and seized police headquarters in the towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk in the Donetsk Region on 12 April 2014. The local police and security services either refused to offer armed resistance to the separatists and the Strelkov Russian unit, or sided with them to various degrees.

>Why is Russia indiscriminately shelling civilians?
who will stop them?

A careful review suggests that much of the evidence regarding direct Russian military intervention during this initial period was misrepresented or even fabricated. This concerns Ukrainian and Western governments’ claims that Russian military and intelligence units or ‘green men’ were leading the separatist fight in Donbas since it started in Spring 2014. For example, Strelkov and members of his armed group in Sloviansk and Kramatorsk were identified by the Ukrainian and US governments as a Russian military intelligence (GRU) unit. However, the publicly available evidence indicates that Strelkov was a retired officer of the Federal Security Service. A ‘bearded man’ from the Strelkov group had been falsely identified as a commander of a Chechen GRU battalion solely on the basis of superficial similarities of their facial features, while he was a Russian Cossack. However, the issue of a covert involvement of the Russian government in the start of the separatist rebellion in Donbas requires further research because many of the Russian government sources concerning these events are still not available. In both Donbas and the ‘Euromaidan’, however, foreign governments alone could not have been able to covertly seize power in Donbas and Ukraine, respectively, and to produce large numbers of activists and supporters.

You don't remember seeing all the hype about everyone civilian grabbing a rifle and bullshit "firebomb". Guess what, if everyone is shooting at you they are all targets.

The Russian government initially denied direct military involvement in Crimea in March 2014, despite evidence that Russian military units without insignia (‘green men’) were operating there along with separatist self-defence units, which included many Berkut members, and were seizing Ukrainian military units and government headquarters there. Evidence indicates that, in contrast to its direct military intervention in Crimea, Russia initially supported separatists in Donbas by allowing volunteers and weapons to cross the border from Russia, and in providing weapons, recruitment, training, and safe haven to separatists. The Russian government also threatened to use military force in Ukraine, and deployed large numbers of its military personnel near the border with the Donetsk and Luhansk Regions and other regions of Ukraine in Spring and Summer 2014. The Strelkov-led Russian nationalist unit and the local separatists also tried to seize control over local airport and telecommunication infrastructure and nearby towns. These attacks lead to counterattacks by the government forces, which refused to consider a peaceful resolution of the conflict and launched the ‘ATO’ in the East on 13 April 2014.

The new Maidan-led government attempted to neutralize the separatists through the use of military force and special police and security units. An SBU officer was killed on the same day during an attempt by an SBU special Alfa unit to seize the separatist leaders in Sloviansk, which was then controlled by the Strelkov-led armed group of Russians and local separatists. However, many of the government forces were initially reluctant to follow the orders to use force against the separatists. As a result, paramilitary units and special police battalions, organized by the radical nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations with help of the government and oligarchs, were much more ideologically motivated and willing to use force.

Various evidence indicates that the Right Sector was involved in a deadly attack of a separatist checkpoint in Sloviansk on 20 April 2014. The evidence includes his business card found there, a later admission by Dmytro Yarosh, the Right Sector leader, that this was his first battle, and a court ruling revealing that the same exact weapon was used by the attackers and killers of the Internal Troops servicemen on the Maidan (BBC Ukrainian, 2015; Pechersk District Court, 2015b). This attack by the paramilitary alliance of radical nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations constituted a major escalation of the conflict in Donbas because it broke the Geneva agreement, which was signed on 17 April 2014 by Ukraine, Russia, the EU, and the US concerning a peaceful resolution of the conflict, and the Orthodox Easter ceasefire between the Ukrainian government and separatists.

Similarly, the special police battalion Azov, organized by the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly with help of the Radical Party, was involved in an attack of a district police headquarters in Mariupol on 9 May 2014, which resulted in casualties among the police and civilians. The special police battalion Dnipro, organized with the participation of the Right Sector and the oligarch-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk Region, Ihor Kolomoisky, was involved in this attack and in another deadly assault in Krasnoarmiisk in the Donetsk Region in early May 2014. An analysis of live broadcasts, videos, and media reports indicates that the Right Sector, which was dominated in Odessa and Kharkiv by the Social-National Assembly, football ultras from these cities, and Maidan Self-Defence units, massacred 42 pro-Russian separatists and employees there on 2 May 2014 by setting fire to the Trade Union building in Odessa in the south of Ukraine after deadly clashes with local separatists.

Special police battalions, the Azov battalion/regiment, and paramilitary formations, such as the Volunteer Ukrainian Corps, organized and led since Spring and Summer 2014 by far-right organizations, such as the Right Sector, the Social-National Assembly, and Svoboda, have constituted a minority of the Ukrainian forces during the war in Donbas, but these far-right formations were disproportionally involved in the violent conflict, specifically violence against civilians and prisoners of war. Small numbers of volunteers and mercenaries, citizens of Belarus, Canada, France, Italy, Russia, Sweden, and the US, including neo-Nazis, served in Ukrainian far right-led units. They mainly joined the Azov battalion, which was later transformed into a regiment.

The violence by separatists and the central government also had major roles in escalation of the conflict into a full scale war. A separatist attack on 22 May 2014 resulted in the death of 16 Ukrainian army soldiers near Volnovakha. On 1 July 2014 after a brief truce, the Poroshenko government launched a large-scale military operation against separatists.

A daily examination of various live broadcasts, videos, andmedia reports shows that the separatist leaders, commanders, and members of their armed units, were mostly residents of Donbas and, to a lesser extent, other regions of Ukraine. They included ethnic Russian nationalists, anti-Maidan activists, splinter Communist Party, and Party of Regions activists, and former members of Berkut and SBU. But a significantnumber of volunteers and mercenaries also came to Donbas directly from or via Russia or Crimea. The analysis of the same numerous sources indicates that these included mostly Russian nationalists, Russian Cossacks, Chechens, Ingushes, and Ossetians and relatively small numbers of Communists and neo-Nazis and citizens of other post-Soviet states, Serbia, and Western countries.

Various sources show that, in spite of continuing denial by the Russian government, direct Russian military intervention in Donbas began at the end of August 2014. It took the form of incursions by several battalion-size units in order to prevent a defeat of separatist forces and attacks of Donetsk and Luhansk cities. These include a report by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine in 2015, as well as reports by separatists, videos of Russian military convoys, videos of captured Russian soldiers and equipment, first-hand reports by Western media and eyewitnesses, and released satellite images of Russian military vehicles on the Ukrainian side of the border. They all suggest that the Russian forces, along with the separatist units, took part in combat with the Ukrainian forces and far right-led battalions in the Illovaisk area, encircled many of the Ukrainian units, and killed around 400 of them during their attempt to leave the encirclement. Similar evidence shows that some regular Russian units also took part in the Debaltseve battle in February 2015. The Russian forces were usually involved in the combat from a distance, such as shelling the Ukrainian positions from artillery, multiple rockets, and tanks. There are videos and other evidence that they started shelling of the Ukrainian positions from the Russian territory near the border in July 2014. There were also reports from different sources about incursions of regular Russian units in Donbas in Fall 2014 and August 2015. In addition, such evidence indicates that since the end of summer 2014 regular Russian troops in Donbas included, at a minimum, military advisers, operators of advance weapon systems, and military reconnaissance and intelligence units.

>babbys first war crime
in WW2 they ordered some allied planes to strafe at anything that moves in a 50 mile radius, naturally this included women and children who were just minding their own business. The result of war is a death of innocents, this is the way of the world. If war ever happened on US soil, any civilian they could justify killing they would. Sometimes military combatants put on civilian clothes. It can’t be helped

Indirect evidence of Russian military intervention includes a relatively rapid change in the military situation in Donbas in August 2014 and February 2015. Before the end of August 2014, separatists were under attack by Ukrainian forces and had been retreating from Sloviansk and Kramatorsk to the more densely populated parts of Donbas, particularly the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk. However, following direct Russian military interventions in Donbas during battles at the end of August 2014 and in February 2015, the Ukrainian regular units and special police and far right-led volunteer battalions suffered encirclements, retreats, and losses in the Illovaisk and Debaltseve areas, respectively. In both of these cases, President Poroshenko rapidly reversed his reliance on military force against separatists and he negotiated the Minsk ceasefire agreements. In addition, changes in the top leadership of DNR and LNR in mid-August 2014 preceded the Russian military intervention in Donbas. These include the replacements of Alexander Borodai, the prime minister of DNR, and Strelkov, the defence minister of DNR, with local separatist leaders. In contrast, a similar direct military intervention by regular Russian forces before August 2014 and permanent presence and continuing direct involvement in combat of significant regular Russian military forces have not been corroborated directly and indirectly by the analysis of the various sources.

Analysis of various sources, in particular Ukrainian media reports, suggest that Ukraine became a US ‘client state’ after the ‘Euromaidan’ and during the conflict in Donbas. The US government had obtained influence over appointments of top officials, for instance, prime minister Arseniy Yatseniuk, and over policies of the Ukrainian government, in particular, concerning the conflicts in Crimea and Donbas. There was nearly perfect alignments of Ukrainian and US government positions concerning major foreign policy issues, including the war in Donbas. Specifically, top US government officials generally expressed unconditional backing of the Ukrainian government policies concerning the conflict in Donbas, and the US provided free of charge military training and military equipment to the Ukrainian forces. But the US government and other Western countries have excluded the possibility of direct military intervention in the war in Donbas.

they should be dropping nukes on those cities.

Civilians?

Why will they not show you satellite photos of the Donbas region pre-invasion ? If there aren't Ukrainian army units there engaged in siege and genocide then the invasion was really unprovoked.

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The original sin that started this war was Russia installing Yanukovych as their puppet president.
The guy was a common thief of the worst kind who bought himself a golden toilet with the money he stole from the people, Putin only has himself to blame for not backing someone less despicable.

I don't know but this humanitarian approach to war is sickening me. They voted for Zelensky they're resisting. If I was Putin with all the sanctions in place I would flatten every city firing every gun in the Russian arsenal killing every thing that breathes and at the first NATO response I would order a full nuclear strike no fucks given

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exactly

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USA killed more than 300,000 civilians in Iraq.

Russia is taking excess casualties to prevent civilian deaths.

Saddam's Bath party was 10%, but ruled country with Iron fist. In a like manner nazis are not a majority in Ukraine, but cities where they are the majority are going to have to be flattened, just like Mosul, Iraq.

Obama and Hillary used exact same playbook as middle east, toppled government and got in bed with most violent psychopaths they could find. The violent psychopaths have since gone out of control just like ISIS. Putin is just wiping out Slavic ISIS.

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Zelenski made them all "honorary soldiers". Remember: Kikes can't fight fair.

"NATO could be here", said the Russian artilleryman.

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Building bio-labs for literal nazis on Russia's doorstep ? Russia is 100% justified up to and including nuking Washington, D.C.

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the ukrainian military sets up in civilian buildings, i have seen many ukranian citizens begging the military not to set up near them, Christ is king

Why are Ukrainian forces indiscriminately hiding in civilian buildings?

Didn't read any of that.

Males 14-60 forbidden to leave, except jews. jew males have already freely evacuated to Israel.

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Because it's fun, and they are evil.

This is from Donbass in 2014. Nice try

What makes you think its indiscriminate? You realise they have enough fire power to wipe out every building in Europe. Why wouldn't they just flatten Ukraine if they were doing this?

It is a war crime, and they are doing it. Then like the dishonorable scum they are they claim Russia is wrong for taking out these targets with human shields.

Dishonorable for a commander to order troops into a battle they can't win if there is no tactical or strategic objective that can be won.

For bidding civilians from leaving or telling them they have to fight untrained and ill equipped is a war crime.

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So you and your reddit pals have something to feel about. Just go back.

The primary responsibility of an honorble government and military is to protect the citizens of the country from foreign invasion. not the other way around. The Zelensky government and military incited a foreign invasion, and now wants to use the civilian population to protect themselves. A sick perversion of anything right, good, or honorable.

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