>Stoic doctrine of unassailable autonomy of spirit - of not pursuing anything external suited a people who had no hope in achieving any external honor. Stoic apatheia and autarkeia were sought after by those yearning for a life of dignified slavery. >This explains Stoicism’s modern appeal. We like the Romans find ourselves citizens of cosmopolitan megacities ruled by forces we cannot hope to influence. We too seek solace and dignity in Stoicism's dogma that we can achieve serenity without the need for any external good. - Carlin A. Barton, "Roman Honor"
I said for years that stoicism is degenerate. It makes you soft and weak. The author I quote writes that in imperial, multiculti Rome, the old Roman definition of honor was impossible to work with, so stoicism took its place: Instead of being proactive and seizing honor, being able to tolerate things became honorable.
Pic related is what one should emulate, the opposite of stoicism.
boomers love to use stoicism as a cloak for cowardice, i have noticed
Luis Cooper
Also reading Marcus Aurelius I kinda thought he was a pussy, and a bad father. I think he was affected by christian morals.
Michael Garcia
I’m pretty sure it had more to do with the lead in the water pipes that only the ruling class had
Levi Wilson
>you will NOT get off the hamster wheel of trying to cope with constant dissatisfaction >you WILL vote for the Right Candidate(tm) >you WILL virtue-signal on Twatter about all the things that bother you >you WILL coom >you WILL consoom
Marcus Aurelius was an opium fiend, not hard reaching dat dere ataraxia when you're on downers 24/7.
Luke Moore
Cato the Elder - Cynic 1. Hit every public office available in the republic. (First and only republic Roamn to do it, almost impossible to achieve.) 2. Great general, Triumph. 3. Literal pig farmer, ugly as a hat full of arseholes.
Cato the Younger - Stoic 1. Failed public service 2. Wasted his whole life shitpoasting about cunts who got things done. 3 Died from cutting his own throat in shame and botched the job, passing away slowly in front of his horrified family pissing and shitting himself. Grandson of Elder Cato and squandered Granpappy's fortune.
>and are confirmed for nihilism Not at all, stoicism is nihilism. Stop caring and you'll be happy? Nah, that's just flattened affect from severe depression.
David Mitchell
>stoicism is degenerate. It makes you soft and weak you wrong: the opposite of stoicism is epicureism (carpe diem), which is degenerate faggotry.
Gavin Evans
It at least makes you proactive so Epicureans > Stoics.
Adam Ward
>nihilism no no no... stoicism is opposed to epicureism, which is degenerate research of compulsory satisfaction of all the senses. in practical philosphy of life, the romans were divided into these 2 school of foughts, epicureism is the degenerate continuos research of happyness, while stoicism is the antidote.
Benjamin Adams
Stoic cope, there is nothing more degenerate than stoicism, which seeks to solve problems by ignoring them. LITERAL slave morality. Such systems of thought always appear in cultures that are near death, see also Buddhism. They happen when a people's vitality is so spent that no spark of energy for fighting remains, so people seek refuge in tolerating hardships instead of ending hardships. It's no coincidence that stoicism is popular among incels.
Owen Jackson
was considering making a forum of sorts to pursue that goal op. its the only way everyday people have a chance to get it otherwise its top down feudalism with an immortal ageist stint.
Tyler Martin
>to pursue that goal It's hard because literally all of the world wants you to be a good stoic cog in the machine instead of a lyssa-wrecked, hot blooded hero.
Joseph Rivera
>foughts Put your tongue at the back of your top incisors, exhale.
Colton Garcia
Lame- it was a small movement and not very successful . Caligula was more of the problem and degenerates like him
Chase Jones
>there is nothing more degenerate than stoicism you are considering stoicism out of context, you talked about roman times, so you should at least consider the complementary duality with epicureism, so consider for example Elagabalus as epicurean, while Marcus Aurelius as stoic.
Juan Cruz
Both of you are incorrect. you have to be able to do both, and more. Cynicism is the the path. You have to be able to navigate the society you live in by changing tactics and adapting to the variance of those around you to achieve what you personally want to achieve. Epicureanism and Stoicism are just two of the tools in the kit you use by applying them Cynically. If you apply one doctrine to all your dealings, you will fail.
Ethan Hughes
Jews are flunkies. It the jesuits. And Christ will destroy them.
And yet Cicero, the most famous stoic of the Republic ascended to the summit of power? Geddafuckouddahee
Josiah Jenkins
>It at least makes you proactive So you shitpost twice as much? How productive, Adolf.
Cooper Brooks
I thought stoicism was about not letting things stop you from achieving what you want. That's how I've used it anyway, just carry on trying and keep your chin up.
Ian Barnes
Stoicism is the closest thing to Buddhism in the west and that's not a bad thing. There is nothing worthwhile in the mundane, no matter what you do or achieve it never completely satisfies, no matter what you own death takes it all at the end. What should one do then? Try to escape the cycle.
Austin Robinson
>Elagabalus A priest of a proto-islamic arab pagan religion, nothing at all to di with epicureans. He didn't drink alcohol, for example, how is that epicurean?
>Everyone I don't like is epicurean The absolute state of stoics lmao
Stoicism fails to answer 'Why?' when you get to the root of the belief. Why try? Why live according to nature? Why do anything? Stoicism side-steps this by calling on man's 'inherent' virtues, or nature's 'inherent' virtues. But its all a sham.
Christianity (read: Traditional Roman Catholicism Pre Vatican-2) gives the answer: Christ. For the love of God. Stoics are just atheists who haven't educated themselves enough to be Christian.
Benjamin Hughes
Cicero criticized stoicism (pro murena, de finibus).
>passive aggressive answer How delightfully stoic.
Noah Powell
If you want something, you already failed in stoicism.
Both are degenerate philosophies for half-dead, defeated people. Basically a giant rationalization for giving up and stopping to care.
Jeremiah Hall
The definition of hedonism as something bad is a remnant of protestant ethics in a mostly atheist world: If it's fun, it's bad. Some protestant churches don't even use wine for Mass.
William Ross
And Jesus criticized some Jews. Nice non-argument.
Ryan Barnes
Yes, and Jesus wasn't a Jew. Exactly.
Matthew Hernandez
What's the alternative for stoicism?
Owen Reed
Heroism
Hudson Gomez
>A rabbi born in Judea raised by Jews and brought up according to Jewish ritual, whose inner circle consisted entirely of Jews and who constantly quoted Jewish religious texts, was in fact not Jewish. Ah, so you're fucking retarded or trolling. Saged and goodbye, midwit.
Jonathan Watson
According to this, being American, you're Jewish: You're circumcised, you follow Jewish philosophy and ethics, you live among Jews (Whom Americans, for some reason, consider white). Are you?
Thomas Collins
These threads are made by people with low impulse control. Stoicism is not resigning oneself, it's merely not allowing your emotions to rule you or your satisfaction. It's literally a masculine trait, if something can be done then do it without unneccessary emotions, if it can't then don't worry about it. People today aren'tstoic they're faggots, no stoic would rant for hours about his "Mental Health."
Lucas Ramirez
No, it was Christianity that did that
Joshua Moore
>implying high impulse control is masculine Spock isn't masculine, he is a sissy boy. The defining trait of the ancient hero is the blood-boiling rage.
