Riddle me this

Based if your purpose is independence.
Cringe if you think you're making a difference.
Retarded if it's your only power source.

your diesel 4x4 is inferior in every way to an electric cars stats. but if your talking exclusively about refilling options then batteries or solar panels are a more reliable option than gas. enjoy getting out of your car and walking to the nearest gas station instead of pulling out solar panels and using the sun to just charge up real quick

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>charge up real quick
The energy density of liquid fuels are absolutely unmatched by batteries.

lol what and idiot it's raining now it will never be sunny again

enjoy your electricity company rape prices instead of self sustained power generating

The solar panel in that picture is facing away from the sun.

it's not an ideological question, do whatever you want

It takes more net energy to produce a solar panel and dispose of it after it's useful lifetime than the panel will likely produce. It's a scam to funnel off tax money.

cucked because you are incapable of repairing the solar panels or car without contacting the manufacturer and having them send out a technician

what if i told you there was more to a vehicles usefulness than it's top speed and max corner G's?

>batteries or solar panels are a more reliable option than gas
you are a grade A retard.

>enjoy getting out of your car and walking to the nearest gas station instead of pulling out solar panels and using the sun to just charge up real quick
I can just keep more fuel in the back you colossal dummy. My diesel ute has a range in excess of 2000km because I can carry fuel with me.

Enjoy waiting for your car to charge on the side of the road, enjoy cloudy days, enjoy replacing your batteries every 10 years. I am an electrical inspector who does remote off-road access on solar powered sites for a living and you are just absolutely 100% completely wrong about this.

its good except most systems use an inverter that runs its computer off the mains
:^) majority of systems won't function in a power cut because the inverter goes offline.

> (OP)
>overland adventure
>vehicle runs out of energy source
In fairness, it would be more feasible to re-charge by portable solar or wind generator than it would be to refine yourself a new can of diesel from crude that you self-extract from the ground.

>t. devil's advocate

my man
I wish I could convert my body to run on fossil fuels. I could run off a 600ml PET bottle for weeks.

>prepperism

it literally can't be because most solar panels depend on being connected to the power grid to work.

Good luck charging your car off solar panels. I used to live in California and had a lefty friend who bought a Tesla roadster when they came out. He put solar panels all over his roof (about 30 or so ~200w) and spent a fortune on batteries because he’s at the office during the day with his car. Long story short, he spent about 100k in 10 years so he could charge his car at home. After the batteries died due to being cycled heavily each day, he gave up.

No, that's incorrect

Why do you have to get retarded ideological entanglements involved in generating your own power?

Nope, wrong.

Its ok to charge your computer in an off the grid farm. But dont even think about charging an electric car with them, you are off by several orders of magnitude.
If you are a prepper then you would rely on horses, candles and firewood. You cant simply live a modern lifestyle while being off the grid.

Electric cars are a utopian pipe dream. There’s a funny video of a long line of electric cars waiting to recharge… guessing it’s California

And if we abort the future then it won't exist at all. It's free money!

alright I concede

but I still think electric vehicles are the most logical choice for cities

Based prepper, bonus if you've disabled the radio uplink in all cars you own- Including gas!

You are never going to get enough energy from a normal amount of solar panels to charge an electric car. You won't have enough power for any fridge or washing machine either.
Solar panels are cool, but they are just an additional source of energy to your regular electric supply from a company.
In a prepping situation, they'll be useful to allow you to keep a few lights on, maybe charging a smartphone or a laptop. That's it, until they are broken and you can't source any new one and you'll just go back to the good old candles and oil lamps, or better yet, just do like people used to do in the past, and go to sleep when it's dark.
As for cars, it's a better idea to have one that is modified to run with ethanol or an old diesel modified to run with cooking oil, if you have any way to produce those. In any case, you'll be open to more possibilites.
Or just get a horse, or a bycycle, or just walk, like people used to.

>electric vehicles are the most logical choice for cities
you are right about this. and stealing power is the most logical way of charging them. :)

>You are never going to get enough energy from a normal amount of solar panels to charge an electric car.
Yes, you are.

Its really both

Can't charge an electric car off solar panels? What do you have, the panel out of a solar calculator? Real solar systems are VERY capable of charging a car.

Wrong and stupid. I'm fully off grid with 360W solar and a 1500W inverter, never even close to run out although I live pretty modestly.

You are just running on the same shit before it gets fossilised.
Just drink a 600ml bottle of syrup and you will be good to go... energy wise.

I think you can prepare for a total apocalypse, but you can also prepare for hard times that not quite yet the total end of the world
many third world countries have regular power outages, or just regularly just an hour or few of electricity daily, shit may happen
or, well, gas may just get really expensive

A customized Plugin hybrid that runs on Disiel / Biodisiel / Solar Charged batteries would be incredibly Prepper based. Buying a Tesla to plug into your solar house is just rich fag flexing.

this, but you can also convert old trucks to run on wood gasifiers and produce your own biodiesel. reflective dishes powering sterling engine generators is a more reliable long term way to produce electricity than panels anyway. horses, donkeys, and oxen are great if you have enough pasture for them. they pretty much fuel themselves and can navigate rough terrain with less risk.

>prepperism/independence or cucked leftism
grid tie, or stand alone system?

the globalists have plainly stated they are going to wreck the worlds energy supply. having a stand alone capable system is just straight up preplanning for what is coming

grid tie is pure leftist cuck

>having solar panels
based prepperism/independence

>having an electric car
Cucked leftism. And each year it will get worse, since they're putting more tracking devices in them. I kid you not, they will put devices in new cars that will detect if you're tired and the car won't allow you to drive it. Fuck the EU.

This.

If you’re prepping for a shtf scenario anything electric is retarded. Hope preppers invest in decent mountain bikes because that will be your mode of transportation when the electricity shuts down and gas runs dry

There are a bunch of videos making fun of these electric car tards

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UqEwLle8xKU

Why do you think of driving as a prepper? Where are you going?
Are you trying to be a prepper or a farmer? Farmers use a lot of fuel

What they don't tell you is that the efficiency drops like 50% after 5 years so in it's current form it's quite shit. This is why they have to try to give (((incentives))) i.e. waste tax payer money to try to subsidise it.

There are other ways of generating electricity like wind, hydro or geothermal heat pump that don't have this kind of drawback.

But self sufficiency is based, the more self sufficient you are the more you can tell the government and other people who won't leave you the fuck alone to go fuck themselves.

Every man should:

>grow his own food (even if it's just a vegetable patch not be completely dependent for food)
>is able to generate electricity at home (even if it's just able to power one or two appliances)
>brew his own beer (never worry about 'minimum pricing' or maximum percentage other bullshit laws written by pussies)
>hunt and cook wild animals (you're going to need meat for the veg)
>has ability to defend himself (take martial arts/boxing, even just get the basics), having hunting rifle and knowing how to use it also required
>never be too dependant on one thing for essentials: e.g. you have to buy fuel, make sure you also have a wood fed stove so you don't freeze if you can't get fuel. I also keep chickens so its protein from eggs/chickens if I can't hunt

None of those things will mean you 'make it' if shit ever goes down, but the point is that by preparing now you drastically increase your chances of being able to just ride the tiger for whatever pozzed measures they introduce to try to make you go along with globohomo.

I wish a company would make an analog electric car.

right, but the ENERGY DENSITY is important. Like, how many fucking coffee beans would I have to chew on to get the same buzz as my double shot espresso?

gasoline contains 46MJ/kg. corn syrup has about 11.

The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is fitted with a 3.7 kW on-board charger for Type 1 AC charging
A very cheap solar inverter is 5kw, easy.

SO YES, if you have pretty much anything but the smallest shittest solar install AND the biggest gayest DC fast charger, you will be just fine. (except if it's night time, or cloudy)

>I kid you not, they will put devices in new cars that will detect if you're tired and the car won't allow you to drive it. Fuck the EU.
that's not just electrics problem sadly, and that's also the reason that cars are getting really fucking expensive
guess that main problem with electrics is that you can't go buy a 10yo one without any of the extra electronics shit for cheap, it's pretty much new or bust

For your house you can build yourself? Yes. For your brand new car? No. Modern cars aren't built to last.

It was spectacular for amerifats when they could get Obama tax cuts for both the car and the panels. People with the wherewithal and enough money to pay upfront ended up making bank.

That gravy train has ended, though.

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You think all life's just going to stop because of a power failure? No, we'll continue to need transport. I can farm with horses if it's that bad, but there'll still be a need for transport.

That was my first thought too. A ultra high capicty solar system (best on the market) on a very large residential roof can generate 34.5 KWH (kilowatt hours) of electricity in optimal conditions. This equates to 100 miles of travel per hour. The reason for this is that it's incredibly aerodynamic and the regenerative breaking takes a lot of the energy back into the equation. The fact that modern cars still produce only 24.5 MPG is pathetic. A Tesla by comparison gets about 100 MPG.e. meaning that if you extracted all the energy out of gasoline and converted it directly into electricity and put that electricity into the battery bank. A Tesla would get 100 miles of range out of it.

It's insanely efficient

Based weed grower

See also, jamming something in the meter to slow it down

I mean in an actual apocalypse how long do you reasonably expect those solar panels to last? How well do you understand the technology to maintain them? They are pretty self sufficient day to day but much like in the society we are in today most people only enjoy them because they don't have to really think about them, they just think about the moral good they are(nt) doing for society.

I bought my last new car in 2018. I have a few pre computerized cars too and will be focusing my money and time in restoring and maintain ling them.

Get a buckboard

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This. I have a 35hp tractor, which is considered compact. Cutting hay/the grass on 10 acres uses almost 3 gallons of diesel. I’d have to farm how many acres just for inputs to biodiesel so I can hay my field?

>public transportation (without niggers)
pipe dream in the west