Seeing and learning about the Ukrainian Nationalist cause has shown me that Nationalism blinds people to escalating harmful actions against the outgroup and idealizes a reality that either doesn't exist or can't exist with great suffering to both sides, and in the end against the interests of both sides who can never go back and "choose peace."
I support people uniting around their tradition and culture and even race but when they unite together to then go against "the other" that plants the seeds of ethnic conflict and takes on a nature of its own that is difficult to keep peaceful, if not impossible.
We see this now in Ukraine between partisan Ukrainians, ethnic Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians. It seems that it is easy to start with a noble and innocent movement and then find yourself hating the other and willing to even kill for your collective and greater "cause." Thus ethnical decisions are increasingly "for the cause" and not judged on the basis of their own merit (re: the ethics of corpse posting). It seems that collectivist thinking is extremely dangerous and ethnic nationalism is just another form of it and is a danger where regional diversity already exists.
Its almost like Capitalism's fake paradigm of 'infinite growth, infinite wealth for all' was a lie.
Joshua Jenkins
The West could use nationalism because they are suffering from a racial shame system but in many regions it is explosive to fund violent nationalist groups. In Ukraine you are witnessing the first incident of nationalism gone bad in your life time; Ukrainians provoked a war by massacring an ethnic group that is only separated from them culturally by a different dialect
Adrian Howard
>Its almost like Capitalism's fake paradigm of 'infinite growth, infinite wealth for all' was a lie.
All you need to do is believe in Christ and that he died for you. And you need to be ready to kill niggers and faggots when they inevitably try to destroy your family.
Nolan Baker
Return to Monarchy and Tradition, good man
Jaxson Brooks
What’s the ideology, where you want to just fuck away from it all and live peacefully in the wilderness, hunting and killing bears? I want to become some feral neolithic man.
Michael Long
those ukranian dumbasses were manipulated by the cia and other western intelligence agencies
>support people uniting around their tradition and culture and even race but when they unite together to then go against "the other" that What you call nationalism is acctually supremacism Nationalism has nothing to do with any "other" exept maybe if your culture has no country of its own and is fighting an independance war
I gess it dont matter tho, since the meaning of words is changing every month to accomodate our overlords goals
The best idea is that everyone is incharge of their own body. And, has their opinion heard about their community, and nation. The japanese were bastards, but they may have gotten it right.
William Jackson
>You should only care about yor family, clan, not the entirety of your ethnicity. >They are as much of a competition for you as nigs.
A society like this will function but it will not thrive
Adrian Smith
It's not. I'm thinking how to respond because I just had this epiphany though I am sure people much smarter than myself have already come to this same conclusion and written much about it. I have heard of nationalist criticism before, but I assumed we were in a new paradigm and that Ukrainian Nationalism was supposed to be some kind of exception within the liberal world order. It looks like I was wrong, and that liberals are wrong to support it.
David Cox
tldr faggot
Daniel Diaz
For the ruling class,
Nationalists = cannon fodder & useful idiots
Asher Nelson
>Nationalism blinds people to escalating harmful actions against the outgroup >idealizes a reality that either doesn't exist or can't exist You fucking faggot. Don't you try to weasel in your scheme of racial destruction under the guise of friendship. We will have our races and peace too. Your masters will pay the price and after they are gone we will see how impossible it is.
I don't want the future in your picture either. I don't know what the right answer is if ethnic nationalism holds these risks. I want a cohesive society with the benefits of nationalism without the violence and the hate. Is such a thing even possible? I have been to Ukraine. I have spent time in Kiev in 2018. I really loved it but I guess I didn't have the whole picture either.
Anyone can be a useful idiot and you have been retarded for the last decade sucking tranny cock and eating nigger ass.
Julian Diaz
Fences make good neighbors. The US backed overthrowing the elected government of Ukraine in 2014 and an anti-Russian admin was installed. Then they end up with a literal Jew front man actor as their executive.
Ukraine can't be anti-Russian and neither should the US. It works against their interests as you can now all see It was an idiotic move and the glowies pushed it.
This war has nothing to do with Nationalism you fucking brainlet.
Jeremiah Lopez
You can have nationalism without destroying other nations
Dylan Green
No, you have to choose. Any middle ground is just transitory
Jason Bennett
>gets replaced by Somalians to protect the wealth and power of the rich
Why didn't it work in Ukraine? It seems like a common pattern. What makes you confident it can work outside of the girded lanes of theory? Genuinely asking btw.
