UKRAINIANS GOT BACKSTABBED

Wait. Are you guys surprised that Ukraine in an active fucking conflict can't join? Everyone is trying to avoid a direct conflict with Russia atm due to nukes and making them NATO would be instant WW3 nuke-fest.

They have to be secure for it to even be considered which is not the case atm.

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I think nukes are a meme, but russia is committing less than 10% of their forces to ukraine, if the nato joined they'd increase the forces they commit, which would force the usa to commit their forces, if americans had to fight a war in ukraine china and north korea would move on south korea and taiwan, the west is in a check mate situation

That's one war goal down.
Now to the rest.

If anything Ukraine backstabbed us backing American interests over European interests

you guys are winning on the grand scale )

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The thing is that most of the Russian force at Ukraine and Belarus is lookingbto the West, not commited to the war in Ukraine
Maybe we got too cocky against the most paranoic people in the world and it wasn't a good idea

Would Ukraine get to join NATO if they were winning?

Maybe, but at what cost.
I don't expect the west to just roll over.

List of anti-Russia propaganda we have seen thus far:
- Ukrainian father crying as he hugged his daughter was actually a pro-Russian rebel in Donbas preparing to fight Nazi Azov Battalion
- 13 Ukrainian soldiers "killed" on Snake Island actually surrendered and are alive and well
- Russian tank that ran over civilian car in Kiev was a Strela-10 Ukrainian air defense system
- Photos of Zelensky in military garb with a helmet on are from 2021 border inspection
- Video of Ukrainian MiG-29 shooting down a Russian Su-35 was a Digital Combat Simulator animation
- Russian cruise missile that blew up the side of a residential building was actually a Ukrainian air-defense missile fired by the Ukrainian military
- Viral video of Ukrainian pilot shooting down Russian jet was a screen recording from Arma 3 video game
- Viral video of Russian jet exploding over Kiev was in fact a Ukranian Su-27
- Russian supply convoy that Ukrainian military blew up was a Ukrainian convoy
- Ukrainian military lied about blowing up 56 tanks that included General Tushayev
- Russian jet bombing near residential homes appears to be a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter targeting Russian troops
- Claims from Western-intel that Ukraine had shot down multiple IL-76 transport planes carrying paratroopers have yielded no evidence
- Ukrainian Ambassador to the UN reads fake text messages from 2ch (Russian soldiers aren't allowed cell phones in Ukraine)
- Russian attack on Holocaust memorial was an attack on a communications tower nearby
- Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant fire was actually in a training centre outside the perimeter where Ukrainian soldiers took up a defensive position
- Viral photos of "Children hiding in Kiev metro" were actually taken from one of the schools in Donetsk region (Druzhkivka school #1)

They couldn't join even before, because of the Donbass issue. Unless they were willing to let Donetsk and Luhansk go, they wouldn't be eligible even if Nato wanted them.

very good, this is how I see Zelensky

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The west was trying to rally its masses to rush in and defend Ukraine. (Ww2 total war)
There is no support for that.
Truth is nato would be decimated by Russia in a conventional limited war.

it's only reasonable to expect that if the rules appear to be unfit for purpose, they will be ignored or revised
personally I'd expect that revision after the current conflict, but that's out of disdain for NATO leadership and obviously many will advocate immediate revision so that action can be taken (even if it's just making threats)

NO REFUNDS

Literally everyone considering you can't join if your territories are in dispute, which already happened in 2014 and thus already made them ineligible to join...

the west is already clearly bleeding and the sharks caught the scent, they can only pick between giving up ukraine and taiwan now or giving up ukraine now and taiwan later

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Ukraine is going to hate the West as much as Russia when this is over.

That kike president is getting the goat fucker treatment, used by USA then abandoned/attacked. Hope it was worth it for him when his last moments will be swinging from a Russian noose

the Ukrainians men are meant to bleed the Russians.
Western Europe took a lot of male shitskins, not female. Now they're taking Ukrainian women not men to fix the imbalance.

the goyim are fungible cattle.

Good. Fuck them. Warmongering fucks. They won’t be a county any more anyway.

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How is he wrong you dumb mongrel?

They were promised membership in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. They're still waiting. And as the German's have stated, it won't happen.

If Ukraine was a NATO member and got in conflict with Russia other NATO members would be drawn into the fight because they are obligated to defend one another.

Russia can nuke Ukraine, Poland and Germany anytime they decide they need to. Germany has invested too much over the past 75 years and has become the major player in Europe. They aren't gonna throw that away for Ukraine.

oh look a german flag, I'm sure it's not a redditor from vaush's raid

The eternal anglo strikes again.

Lesson is never trust a liberal

>Lessen

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on the global scale, now we have to wait what the US will do to India
after that the future is sealed, Cold War 2.0

This

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>save Assad from Israel
>AKSHUALLY THAT WAS KIKE 4D CHESS
Sit down, Vaush.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING LOL
what did these retarded uke fucks thing was going to happen?

Their asking to join nato right now is literally “Plz spend billions of dollars and die for us? k thx”

Yeah, nah, get fucked.
If Ukraine was smart they’d announce they discovered a massive deposit of oil or rare earths or some shit.
They might get “liberated” then.

>Truth is nato would be decimated by Russia
lmao, Russia can hardly invade Ukraine, and you're going to try and tell me Russia can defeat NATO? Get the fuck out of here

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This, the NATO has grown weak, talking about the sex of the angels instead of the reality like Constantinople before it's fall

Nations aren’t allowed to join NATO if they are involved in active conflicts. Ukraine hasn’t been eligible since 2014, when the breakaway regions said FUCK NO to the CIA led Orange Revolution.

>Russia invading Ukraine because they fear Ukraine will join nato
>nato reassures Russia that Ukraine won't be joining nato
So now Russia can stop their senseless invasion of a harmless neighbor, right?

kek i love this guy

Ukraine is all what the US could do in 8 years to stop Russia, the German army for example only exists in paper, most armies are full of glorified public servants unfit for combat only France and the UK retain a fraction of their past power

That's literal nonsense lol.

One of my largest pet peeves is this type of armchair real politick.

First 150 000 soldiers is not "10 percent" of Russian forces. It's not even clear how long they could even mobilize that many. The idea they could win a conventional war against the United States or even hold their own for any great amount of time ( in another country) is nonsense.

China certainly isn't prepared to take Taiwan and North Korea definitely isn't in a position to launch an invasion .

Putting isn't going to start launching nukes over fucking Ukraine. But that's not the primary issue .

1: large scale conventional war isn't popular

2: the Russian bear concept the media and us military has propped up 30 years in for political reasons ( and justification of military spending) has settled into western psyche. A majority of people either have bought into Russian propaganda that putting a good boy and died nuffin or bought into western propaganda that russia is still the soviet union weilding unfathomable conventional forces.

3: nato allies in western Europe like to virtue signal but are even more coddled and frightened of war.

2vgm4

You mean when Russian soldiers went on holiday in Ukraine lol

It was never going to become a NATO member. It wasn't even pending consideration because they have had ongoing border disputes with Russia for years.

user, a good chunk of the countries in the EU weren't eligible to join, that wasn't going to stop a German power grab. I suspect the real reason for this is fear.

russia deployed shit tech and 20% of it's military force of who 100-150k are opreational atm.

reddit spacing, didn't read anything past the first bullshit

Russia has a vast standing army (the world's fifth biggest), with some 900,000 active personnel and a further two million reservists

I can’t stand the constant Ukrainian whining and propaganda. Not to say Russia doesn’t partake in propaganda, but Zelenskyy is truly willing to start a world war to save his ass. Sure, the morons in charge here gave vague promises about NATO membership, but people are forgetting that the Ukrainians also have agency. They could’ve compromised with Russia. Fuck him for even attempting to convince the west that it’s worth dying in nuclear fire for his Africa-tier corrupt country. I lose my sympathy more and more every time he does so.

>blah blah blah all these nato rules
none of that shit matters all that matters is if the US can get away with putting nukes and/or bases there or not

reminder that while american troops won't defend you in a time of war your all going to get nuked anyway to take out our nuke silos there

That’s why nato is backing away from the conflict.
That’s why the third largest army in Europe doesn’t exist anymore.
That’s why Ukraine is resorting to civilians with ak47s and Fedayeen Saddam.
Because Ukraine is winning

baste pasta