You just can't defend them

Go back to R3ddit

The cuban missile crisis, 1962. The USSR and the US mutually agreed to deweaponise and leave each other's lands.

2000 Russia tries to join NATO and is blocked.

2004 the orange revolution in ukraine, funded by the USA
>google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

2008 the US trains georgians for a war, in which the president tries to genocide the south ossetians. even the EU condemns the actions of georgia later in a 1000 page report
>theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/30/georgia-attacks-unjustifiable-eu

2013, John McCain goes to Kiev to ask for a "grassroots revolution"
>theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause

December 2013 Ukraine snubs the eu, signing a $15B trade deal with russia instead of signing the $600m European Union Ukraine Association Agreement
>cnbc.com/2013/12/17/russia-reaches-deal-with-ukraine-on-15-billion-bailout.html

February 2014, a cia sponsored armed coup (the maidanhead revolution) ousts the president of Ukraine. The head of the CIA is in kiev
>forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/amp/

>american giving an opinion

Don't care about menchildren opinions about war, go play call of duty

>muh donetsk/luhansk
8 years of constant shelling of these people is enough justification for a military response
>muh "sphere of influence"
The entire conflict is spurn by the U.S, under the guise of NATO, quest to expand their sphere of influence
>NATO doesn't have missiles that close to Russia anyways.
There are bases in Romania, Poland, Turkey and, Estonia
>Muh CIA government.
There's alot of proof, directly from secretary of state, Nuland, herself.
I'll post it here.
>Never going to happen. Not a valid reason to invade.
This invasion is never about revanchist policy, it's about stopping Ukraine from being used as a belligerent against Russia.

There is no reason for NATO to exist in absence of a communist Russia. NATO is an anti-Soviet alliance. Putin is not communist, and Russia is no longer a federation of socialist republics.

China is communist, and the Chinese-Russian alliance in economy/banking (CIPS) and resources that follows will end the global supremacy of the petrodollar. From a perspective of American interest, there is no reason to drive Russia into China’s arms.

NATO did not lift a finger about the illegal American invasion in Iraq because Iraq was not worth sparking a conflagration with the US. As it turns out, just about everyone in Europe and the United States feels the same way - no one cares enough about the fate of Ukraine’s democracy to sacrifice lives and risk escalation with a nuclear power.

We helped organize a global effort to blow up Russia’s economy and Putin said “still worth”. Tens of billions of dollars of economic damage didn’t budge him, and there is currently no hope of domestic insurrection against him. Guess that means we have to hear out the demands of a nuclear power about what happens on their border.

I know you may think escalation is an option but it is not. No one is risking a Bay of Pigs over Ukraine and no one should. America has no long-term material interest in Ukraine other than containing Russia, and America has a practiced historical interest in invading countries on its border or even in its hemisphere. Nothing Russia is doing is inconsistent with the operations of any imperial power when their territorial interests are at risk of international undermining going back to the Revolutionary War here in the states (thanks, France).

Ukrainian democracy is not worth American lives, and Ukrainian sovereignty does not have any bearing on American interests so long as the cost is permanent Russian economic union with China.

How about fuck off Nazi.

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>OH but Ukraine's revolution is legitimate, its not U.S regime change
>relevant links
oscepa.org/en/news-a-media/press-releases/press-2010/international-observers-say-ukrainian-election-was-free-and-fair

Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was not an admirable character. After his election in 2010, he used patronage and other instruments of state power in a flagrant fashion to the advantage of his political party. That high‐handed behavior and legendary corruption alienated large portions of Ukraine’s population. As the Ukrainian economy languished and fell farther and farther behind those of Poland and other East European neighbors that had implemented significant market‐oriented reforms, public anger at Yanukovych mounted. When he rejected the European Union’s terms for an association agreement in late 2013, in favor of a Russian offer, angry demonstrators filled Kiev’s Independence Square, known as the Maidan, as well as sites in other cities.

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair—about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies. A decent respect for democratic institutions and procedures meant that he ought to be able to serve out his lawful term as president, which would end in 2016.

Neither the domestic opposition nor Washington and its European Union allies behaved in that fashion. Instead, Western leaders made it clear that they supported the efforts of demonstrators to force Yanukovych to reverse course and approve the EU agreement or, if he would not do so, to remove the president before his term expired. McCain dined with opposition leaders, including members of the ultra right‐wing Svoboda Party, and later appeared on stage in Maidan Square during a mass rally. He stood shoulder to shoulder with Svoboda leader Oleg Tyagnibok.

>cont
>Relevant Link
bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking. Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post‐Yanukovych government. The U.S‑favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.

Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval.

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement. At one point, Pyatt mentioned the complex dynamic among the three principal opposition leaders, Yatsenyuk, Oleh Tyahnybok, and Vitali Klitschko. Both Pyatt and Nuland wanted to keep Tyahnybok and Klitschko out of an interim government. In the former case, they worried about his extremist ties; in the latter, they seemed to want him to wait and make a bid for office on a longer‐term basis. Nuland stated that “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary.” She added that what Yatseniuk needed “is Klitsch and Tyanhybok on the outside.”

>cont
>Relevant link
nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-ukraine-dying-slow-death-literally-19529

The two diplomats also were prepared to escalate the already extensive U.S. involvement in Ukraine’s political turbulence. Pyatt stated bluntly that “we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing [the political transition].” Nuland clearly had Vice President Joe Biden in mind for that role. Noting that the vice president’s national security adviser was in direct contact with her, Nuland related that she told him “probably tomorrow for an atta‐boy and to get the details to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.

A February 24, 2014, Washington Post editorial celebrated the Maidan demonstrators and their successful campaign to overthrow Yanukovych. The “moves were democratic,” the Washington Post concluded, and “Kiev is now controlled by pro‐Western parties.”

It was a grotesque distortion to portray the events in Ukraine as a purely indigenous, popular uprising. The Nuland‐Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence. Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper. The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power. It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro‐Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.

>>muh donetsk/luhansk
created by Putin where his gangsters were robbing and maiming everyone

Manifest Destiny now fuck off nigger.

nice, try, faggot
>>muh "nato bad nukes on my doorstep cut throat!!!"
>NATO doesn't have missiles that close to Russia anyways, and all the missile defense systems are pointed towards threats from outside Europe mostly.
typical faggot tactic to try and lump the right explanation in with wrong ones
that statement is total bullshit, because Zelensky was literally talking about bringing nukes into Ukraine, that was the last straw, they were obviously not going to fuck around and let that happen

Not one of your objections is based on anything other than a naked assertion. Russia does not need your permission to do anything. It does not need to justify itself according to your morality. Your opinion and argument is of no concern to anyone much less the people of Russia.

Faggot.

Check out the legendary leaf who can, unlike 95% of Americans, remember back to what happened during the Obama administration. What a time to be alive

based bulgarbro

Now that russians are trying to blow up a nuclear power plant, you can be 100 % certain any pro russian post is a shill

Not supporting anyone because both countries are ZOGged. See here
youtu.be/AJoQvFhQkBQ

>NATO doesn't have missiles that close to Russia anyways, and all the missile defense systems are pointed towards threats from outside Europe mostly.

lol the Soviet line during the Cuban missile crisis was "these aren't nuclear missiles lol you don't even know what's on these ships". Of course the difference here was when the US said they don't give a fuck the Soviets wised up and made a deal.

You're gonna wake up to an extra bright sun outside your window one day and your last thoughts before you become radioactive ash will be "you can't justify nuking us we weren't gonna cross your nuclear red line for another few days"

again retarded burgercel anons think that all of these issues will be magically fixed under putin? no, it'll be just the same but you will be poorer.

> Ukrainians want to be part of prosperous EU, not Putin's drunk failing petrostate
> This must be US meddling!
> Ukrainians travelling back to their homeland to fight the invader
> US meddling!
> I feel over in the shitter
> US MEDDLING!!
> Other people want X which I don't want
> MUH MUTT MEDLE
Do snowniggers have any argument that doesn't revolve around their own persecution complex?

It's like a baby that hasn't developed a theory of mind yet, not realizing that other people want different things.

>MUH RUSSIA IS THE SAVIOR OF THE WEST
you have been brainwashed by R*ssian shill propaganda. Unfuck yourself.

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