You all understand that this is the issue, right? The enlargement of NATO is the cause for this war. They're not saying it on the news. It has nothing to do with "Putin wants to restore the soviet union" or "putin is unstable and just wants to invade ukraine cuz he's mean" lol.
It's because NATO keeps expanding and they were going to expand into Ukraine, and put missiles on Putin's border.
NATO was never supposed to expand like this. It was never supposed to be what it is. And it's mission is different today too. Today it acts as not just a defense against some hypothetical Russian invasion of western Europe, but a de facto western power energy cartel.
Anyway, the real issue is Ukraine joining NATO and putting missiles on the Russian border. As per the Kremlin, all Russian media, Putin himself. They state repeatedly the only thing they're seeking is that for Ukraine to maintain a neutral status and not put US missiles in their backyard.
These countries WANTED and begged NATO to become members cos they were fed up with Russian control. NATO is freedom.
Nathan Evans
You guys are Euros. Here in the United States almost nobody understand that. They believe what the media is telling them "Putin is da debil, very ebil, wants to invade everyone because he is ebil"
Nathan Gray
woahhhh i had no idea. thanks user. you're so special and smart.
Mason Reyes
LMFAO there are way too many assholes on this board lately spreading blatant NATO / UN / USA / EU/ CIA propaganda will total glee and conviction.
Bentley Long
So, it's not so much NATO EXPANDING.. it's an influx of countries wanting to join BECAUSE of Russia.
Ayden Evans
children and retards, yes.
Camden Clark
Actually I'm cool with NATO and so is Putin even. I'm just not cool with NATO being expanded right up until russian borders and then into Ukraine of all places, with Missiles right outside Moscow. Why am I not cool with that? Because that is obviously going to provoke world war 3, as no sane person would stand for that, and we're seeing this play out right before our eyes.
Landon Edwards
>the buffer is going to disappear so we must invade to remove the buffer cool plan, totally makes sense.
Jonathan Edwards
Norway, imagine if the United States put nuclear warheads in Sweden and aimed them at you in a hostile manner. How would you respond? You can't be serious and tell me you'd be fine with it. No sane person would. This is the position the US and EU put Putin in.
Austin Davis
These are countries begging to join NATO so that they can feel safe from Russian expansion.
Eli Sullivan
Why is Ukraine Russia's backyard but the Baltics not?
Parker Scott
>country has a history of violently fucking shit up >neighboring countries are wrong for wanting to ally against it for protection russia dindu nuffin putin a good boi
Joshua Lewis
it has nothing to do with shilling. look at it this way; if youre a sovereign country you can pick and chose whatever alliance you want. nobody is forcing anyone to join NATO.
Justin Wood
NATO was doomed to fail. Putin could’ve just let it fail naturally and collapse under the force of a failing economy. Russia and China were already putting pressure on NATO through just accumulating power stealthily. Now NATO is the strongest it’s ever been with Nordic countries bending over backwards to join
Xavier White
It sure makes a lot of sense when you understand the proximity of Ukraine to Moscow. As if the countries added in 2004 weren't already bad enough. Among other factors included in Ukraine. + not to mention the democratically elected pro-Russia president was magically deposed in 2014 in a US back coup that installed the present pro-western Zelensky government.
Nathan Cook
Is all this really because Putin is just butt-hurt because Clinton didn't wanted Russia in NATO?
We are all fucked then.
Gabriel Bailey
Ukraine gave their nuclear missiles to Russia in exchange of freedom. The Russian Federation broke that contract. Somehow this is Ukraine's fault.
Jace Bailey
>>country has a history of violently fucking shit up Sorry I thought you were talking about America, Germany and the UK there for a minute.
Dominic Carter
>These countries WANTED and begged NATO to become members cos they were fed up with Russian control.
And now we get to die together! What a great result!
Anthony James
>NATO is freedom Not really, but NATO is very appealing to anyone whose #1 fear is "what if Russia invades again?". Coincidentally, many ex-Warsaw Pact countries are afraid of Russia invading for some reason.
If Putin's goal is to deter NATO membership, invading Ukraine is actively counterproductive. There are three options:
1) Ukraine wins. In that case, nothing can stop them from joining NATO and Russia is much weaker. 2) Ukraine loses. The message most countries will get from that is "national armies don't work, join NATO". 3) Frozen conflict where nobody actually wins. The message most countries will get from that is a slightly weaker version of #2.
Ryan Watson
Yeah, and it gave the world a very good reason to join with NATO. I'm sure Crimea having important ports and Ukraine being a breadbasket of the USSR had absolutely nothing to do with the decisions.
Dominic Roberts
>country has a history of violently fucking shit up
American flag says what????
Daniel Cook
>invade all of your neighbours >oh my god why do my neighbours have a defensive pact against me >i know, ill threaten to nuke everyone
too much mongol genes in the russian pool these days, ivan
Owen Adams
NATO was never supposed to get into the Baltics northern Ukraine is even close to Moscow and critical Russian targets than the Baltics, as well as giving them a doorway into Eastern Russia. I mean come on, that should be obvious. + the fact that the USA obviously had a hand in deposing the pro-Russian democratically elected president in 2004 because he refused to sign an EU trade agreement because he wanted closer ties with Russia
Charles Rogers
The governments of all NATO countries import shitskins and faggots like candy to a pedophile convention. Anyone that wants them destroyed is my ally.
Now go dilate you fedposter faggot
Kevin Phillips
What makes you think it was a coup? Western sources say Zelensky was democratically elected but I haven't seen evidence from either side.
Kayden Collins
>muh nuclear warheads This isn't 1960. Both sides have MIRV ICBMS. A US strike from Kyiv still ends with Russia and the US both glowing.
Luis Walker
>Putin was a good boy, he was on his way to church. >Russia has never been expansionist or conquered its neighbours. >We should let them have all their demands with zero resistance. Mutts can't be this retarded surely.
Cameron Scott
>if youre a sovereign country you can pick and chose whatever alliance you want.
Which is why Israel and the US are perfectly cool with Iran having nuclear weapons.
Aiden Mitchell
>nooo, a sovereign nation shouldn't be able to join a military alliance if they do desire kys bydlo
Parker Cruz
Absolutely, you should just give Ruskies whatever they want
Carter Miller
This. Imagine a situation where NATO is never used and it just drains money? Or it’s brought into a war that no one cares about? That would’ve had people think twice
Andrew Barnes
>afraid Yes, that is what happens after you experience Russian occupation. Finland allied with literal nazis to make sure we stayed independent.
Liam Myers
>the fact that the USA obviously had a hand in deposing the pro-Russian democratically elected president in 2004 because he refused to sign an EU trade agreement because he wanted closer ties with Russia
This is one of the most annoying things American leftists do. Yes, the CIA does a lot of horrible shit around the world. That doesn't mean that the US is behind every single bad thing that happens anywhere.
Alexander Green
yeah most people understand that here
i just recommend you enjoy the misery out of butthurt kikes who are slowly realizing their "cute blonde ukranian girls" are getting blown to shit
>NOOOOO YOU CAN´T USE YOUR POWER AS A SOVEREIGN NATION TO JOIN A DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE JUST IN CASE I WILL INVADE YOU IN THE FUTURE JUST LIKE I DID SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST 2 CENTURIES!!!! THAT´S IT, I WILL INVADE YOU SO YOU WON´T JOIN THE ALLIANCE YOU WERE PLANNING TO JOIN BECAUSE I AM A THREAT TO YOU!!1
Jason Martinez
My only wish is for Rusdia to destroy fucking Turkey.
Henry Nguyen
I'm sure all that is appetizing to Russia but you need to be fair to Putin though because he has been impeccably clear that there is a redline of "neutral status for Ukraine and no nukes" and then he will not invade. Ukraine refused to commit to that so obviously Putin was going to invade.
No sane person would stand for nukes on their border. If we had Russian nukes on our Canadian or Mexican borders, nobody in America would want to stand for it. So why should this even be a discussion
Ryder Gutierrez
How do you think that will play out in your country? Putin basically threatened Finland to not join NATO.
Carter Flores
The Maidan was a CIA funded colour revolution.
Asher Myers
Thoroughly retarded post. If Ukraine enters NATO, Russia might as well join too and reap the benefits from being good mannered puppets. Imagine if Mexico or Canada joined a chinese-russian military alliance, you think the US would tolerate that? No, they would nip it in the bud by military intervention years before it even became possible.
Ethan Edwards
Sadly read the thread. A little less than half the people here understand that, at best
Hunter Miller
Counties should be allowed to make their own alliances, dumbasses. NATO isn't a threat to Russia. There is 0 chance NATO would ever strike Russia first. The reason Putin doesn't want counties by him to join NATO is so he can invade them. How fucking retarded do you have to be to not understand this? The reason this war happened is because Ukraine WASN'T allowed to join NATO.
Angel Turner
The final act of NATO was going to be an incident in Moscow launched from Ukraine, provoking a reaction triggering article 5 and the destruction of Russia. Then the globalists could discard NATO and focus on Asia. Putin saw this unfolding and accelerated the script. That euros can't see this show why you all have 80% vax rates and are completely passive as the EU economically rapes you. Tl;Dr euros are braindead faggots
Justin Baker
>Imagine if Mexico or Canada joined a chinese-russian military alliance, you think the US would tolerate that? No, they would nip it in the bud by military intervention years before it even became possible.
We don't have to imagine anything - how much respect for Cuba's sovereignty has the US shown over the last 70 years? Why aren't they allowed to keep nuclear weapons on their island if the US supports the rights of sovereign nations to choose their own alliances?
Joshua Price
The US would hire random rightoids and glowniggers to carry out a coup, not invade. Much more civilized.
They would say some words but they wouldn't invade Mexico you unbelievably retarded teenager. And "Russia should join NATO"? Do you even know what NATO is?
Aiden Turner
>NATO isn't a threat to Russia.
Colonel Ghaddafi says hi
>There is 0 chance NATO would ever strike Russia first
NATO literally has a first strike nuclear policy and has spent the last 30 years marching as close to Russia as it possibly can.
Where did all the CIA NATO-loving shills suddenly appear from??
Nolan Allen
Nato doesnt want russia in even if they ask to let them in
Adam Green
Then wouldn’t the correct thing to do is get yourself a counter NATO? Russia would’ve had China Iran and possibly India as well. It’s better then fighting against the world which is what they’re going to do now
Blake Evans
>defensive pact You have slept through the last 30 years, I presume? Also, most countries joined in the late 90s / early 00s when Russia barely existed.
>national armies Can you show me one pic of Ukraine's national army mobilizing to fight Russia?
Caleb Garcia
Exactly.
The only people who fall for ZOG propaganda are the most bottom of the barrel mutts, such as junkies, leftists, niggers, and faggots. All from America and Canada too.
In Europe half of Nato states aren't even loyal, they're just occupied by American/Israelite forces. Europeans are OCCUPIED.
Julian Jones
REPEAT AFTER ME
NATO IS A DE-FEN-SIVE PACT
LOL CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE NATO ALL COMING TOGETHER AND VOTING TO INVADE RUSSIA OR SOMETHING LMAO
