Say goodbye to Modern Russia

That's right.

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I wouldn't have a clue, I'm sure every single intelligent person working for the US government has been trying to figure this out since MAD doctrine developed. If they have it's probably the most closely-guarded secret there is.

they already have limited first-strike capabilities.
it's designed for second-strike.

The sanctions are in place, you think people can just lift them and pretend nothing happened? The EU is also planning to find alternatives to Russian fossil fuels, so it's clear it's not a temporary thing.

Research Senior Suter.

Some more fuel for the fire...

>Ruble is collapsing. The markets are going to be brutal on Monday.
>Bank runs are happening in Russia right now
>ATMs have no cash left
>Oligarchs likely to turn on Putin which is why there are reports that he's worried about assassinations.
>Kazakhstan, Russia's closest ally, told Russia to eat shit when asked to provide Kazakh troops.

Victory Day Parade this year will be a few surviving Chechens, the remnants of the battered VDV hobbling down Red Square, a towed gun with the breech missing, and a flyover of a single Mi-8.

all according to plan

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Second closest, Belarus is their closest.

I was thinking of Belarus as less of an ally and more of a puppet state but yes.

>you think people can just lift them and pretend nothing happened?
People can't but governments can

It's hilariously sad that a former world superpower is being reduced to ruble without a single bullet flying over their head. All because they miscalculated on Ukraine and the west's resolve on supporting Ukraine.

Belarus is neither. It's a malicious actor. If it weren't for Putin, Lukashenko would have become the leader of both Russia and Belarus.

but it won't happen soon i guess
in the case of germany putin has unified all 4 parties that will rule the country in the foreseeable future and changed 70 years of policy on arms exports, 25 years of policy on funding regarding the Bundeswehr and 50 years of policy concerning diplomacy towards moscow

SSSSSSSSS

>Euro-socialist/Chinese global hegemony
Based and beautiful

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By god I hope so

Should off Putin, install some semi democratic order and actually make Russia rich.

>Germany agrees to new budget that increases defense spending to over 2% for the first time since the 90s

>russian central bank kicked out of swift entirely
>all russian aircraft banned from western airspace, including private jets
>rt banned in eu
>belarus getting fucked
kek

Loitering stealth stratosphere drone carriers that, on nuclear launch, deploy drone swarms to neutralize ICBMS. Doesn't solve the nuclear subs issue though.

If we did this in the 90s and paid more attention, none of this shit would've happened.
People focus on details but this is a geopolitical disaster. Western leadership is inept and Putin's idiocy gave them a few more years.
Meanwhile, China keeps getting stronger.
>b-but muh bubble
>m-muh population pyramid
Real issues, but West has even bigger issues.

China is the only winner here. Bravo Xi.

Does Putin ever have a successor lined up?

>If they have it's probably the most closely-guarded secret there is.
If they have they'd be more willing to get into a fight with Russia

It's funny because the Russian military is compartmentalized due to their belief (rightfully so) in security. I mean they still issue directives on flash paper for fucks sake and they've got dedicated landlines for telecoms (you can see this in Putin's speech). That said, it's never been one button or a few buttons or one call or a few call to unleash the arsenal.

Assuming completely perfect conditions, it would take HOURS to unleash everything they've got. Launch, just launch.

Now to answer your question, the simplest answer is for the upper command to realize that Putin is the one going down, not them, and just ignore orders. They actually may benefit from this going forward since only a handful have been complicit, and from captured soldiers have said, all but a few may be able to reasonably say "we were told it was an exercise." Given the corruption and influence of outside parties with regards to the Russian government, this is the most likely result IF the nukes stand down. The oligarchs and military will take the slaps on the wrist if it means the next one in line maintains order, doesn't step out of line, and, namely, doesn't fuck with their current lot in life.

if instead of Ukrainians, what if there were 200k US/NATO troops there instead, including armor, ships, and jets. How fast would this be over?

The fact that some babushkas with NLAWs are destroying armored columns easily make me think that basic US anti-armor would probably end the war on its own

Is not in everyone's best interest that a second USSR fall happens, for all we know it can get bloody this time around and nukes get launched, the west will try to get rid of Putin and the Russians will blame everything on him so they can get rid of the whole sanctions thing

You underestimate how big a deal Germany boosting military spending and allowing weapon exports is. A full scale invasion/ground being fought on European soil is activating every European country's repressed WW2 trauma, the reaction is so much more pronounced than ''''''civil'''''' conflicts like Kosovo and South Ossetia. The bong government is practically encouraging its citizens to join the Ukranian foreign legion, I've never seen anything like it.

>>Germany

Nato troops have a force multiplier behind them. Each troop is worth 10 extra support behind them. So 200k =2 million troops. Think hard.
Full brunt of Nato air/navy/space support will be there. Any Russian convoys will be destroyed with precision guided artilleries/missiles/air superiority/etc

it wouldn't even start
>but if it did?
10 minutes

Russians wouldn't be holding their punches, so things would be harder.
It can't be stressed enough that their restrictive ROE is what's causing them headache. They aren't using their firepower, and they lack the numbers.
The fact they're even advancing is kinda weird.

lol, Iraq already happened you know, the difference is that the Russians are trying to kill as little as possible and restraining themselves which is bitting them in the ass, NATO would just level entire cities for weeks before the lower of the lower in their societies entered on the ground to rape, pillage and kill and receive support and thank you for your service from everyone in the western world

>Japan being pushed into USA's arms
They already live there.
It’s more like the realized the game German cucks like to play is retarded and might get them sent back to the Stone Age if they were to play it. Even German niggers look like they’re finally wising up to it now that orange man loud American isn’t pushing them and so they demure against it like pouty whores.
Grasshoppers to locus. I hope this changes the attitude against letting their countries get raped third worlders and chinkda too instead of just coming down on the drunk vatnik piper tiger menace

If anything I can't imagine Putin's cronies being so puritan as to not drool at the thought of getting his power.
If Beria and breznev are anything to go by, this is going to be a shitshow. Hope medeyedev is ready.

kek vatnik seethe. Enjoy rebuilding your economy over the next century.

Americans don't hold candles. Kyiv would be a crater by now with some bullshit excuse.

>Iraq already happened you know
US lost 4500 troops in the entire Iraq war. Russia has lost that in 4 days

It's not weird. If US invaded Canada, we wouldn't nuke Canadian cities. We'd simply seek to dispose of the gov strategically.

Think Ukraine as Canada of Russia.

c'mon this ain't that much of a high intensity conflict.
450 russkies, tops. 200 ukies, tops. and most of those from downed armor on both sides

Because
A) American troops are better trained for start
B) that guy is correct, Russians clearly have a very restrictive ROE, while Americans just advanced methodically and smoked opposition out with artillery and air support

That is insane. No wonder the Kremlin isn't releasing any casualty numbers. There are families who probably don't even know that their sons/brothers/fathers are deployed to Ukraine, much less dead.

Dont worry, Putin will be assassinated.

Their invasion is absolutely retarded though.
First, their initial bombardment was weak and short.
Second, instead of just rushing your opponent and exploiting the confusion, they sent (at most) half of the troops they initially deployed on the borders.
Third, since their initial attempts failed, why didn't they just switch tactics and start wrecking shit?

If they go on like this, they can actually lose.

Ukraine can't join NATO, not for a long time. It could not join NATO before this farce already.

>have le big army
>ask chechens and Kazakhstan to fight for you

I dont get it bros.

good analysis op, rare for this board

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Some ice skater that sucked him off for an apartment.

also keep in mind usually for every death there would be several injured so Russian losses in personnel are actually even higher
Imagine USSR lost 15 000 soldiers in entire Afghan war, if pace continues they will reach that number in two weeks of fighting with Ukraine

It's easier to tell the Kazakh government that their troops are dead than to tell that to Russian mothers and fathers.

You nailed it. This clusterfuck has made the impossible possible.

Guys, its just that the Russian army isnt even trying! Imagine if they actually cared about winning a war!

There's no way Russia has lost that many, so quickly. There's just no way. Both sides would be in the low hundreds by now, not 10x that.

Ruble has collapse further 50% in Russia right now. Now it's 150 ruble to 1 USD.

BUY THE DIP

We haven't reached the bottom yet!

4500 casualties isn't much of a stretch, but that's if you're talking about the military definition of casualty and not using as a synonym for fatality.

>Japan being pushed into USAs arms
Source/What happened?

english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/02/cc26c1cfde39-ex-pm-abe-says-japan-should-discuss-nuclear-sharing-arrangement.html

japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/02/27/national/japan-russia-swift-sanctions-ukraine-kishida/

reuters.com/world/japan-coordinate-with-g7-further-sanctions-vs-russia-foreign-minister-2022-02-27/

I am pretty sure Japan is 100% best buddies with USA and have arguments with Russia about some islands.

No this is worse. Hitler had a viable strategic outcome from invading Russia. Putin? Really has nothing.

The fuck are you talking about? Putins goal is to keep Ukraine out of NATO and to prevent them from selling LPG to Europe.

Lol... totally worth turning the entire world against you, nuking your own economy, and causing your smartest and most intelligent citizens to flee the country. Fucking idiot

I am telling you what they want. I am not saying its a good idea to start a war over it.

TsIPsO hohol pig trolls squealing at the top of their lungs today, they know what's coming for them. The day of the rope.

I don’t believe that figure. If they’d lost that many people already this would be over.

computer lab full of retards at Langley must have ordered extra pizza and corn syrup for the shifts they're working

Right but I said viable. Ukrainians will never accept a Russian puppet now. If they get one there would be an insurgency and if Russia left the puppet would be dead. Furthermore this whole thing is encouraging Ukraine and others to join NATO more than ever. He has brought a unity to the west not seen in decades.

so Hitler should have just let Stalin attack him first?

UGH NATO EMPIRE

NATO was never the goal, NATO has existed for 80 years and could have steamrolled Russia at any given time if it weren't for nuclear deterrence, yet they have never, not even once actually made any move on Russia. And even if they wanted to they wouldn't have needed Ukraine to do it. Real reason is pic related so you got it half right.

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>any time
I'm no vatnik but USSR would have crushed NATO with ease until the 1980s

>>Japan being pushed into USA's arms
Sorry what? Japan is an American vassal.

Pair it with a gallon of diet coke to celerbrate ivan's blunder of the century

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Right, Ukraine needs NATO for stability reasons. The western oil companies can be confident to pour in money to develop the fields. Russia will be mighty unhappy when they lose their trump card against Europe.

Nope, not at all. Numbers don't tell the whole story because they are manned by chronically drunk conscripts that can barely look after themselves.

I too thought this until exactly two days ago

On one hand, proving the increasingly retarded and hysterical "intel" released by the US as true was a blunder, and the execution seems awful from the publicly available information.

On the other hand, expanding Nato eastwards, foreign militaries arming ukraine, were all direct attacks on Russia. I think people underestimate the desperation and amount they're backed into a corner, and this is a pearl harbor type event. Eminem can write a wigger rap about desperation escalation now

>Russia getting BTFO is actually bad for the West! China numbah wan!

lmao okay Chang, we get it, you're embarrased about allying with Putin.

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>On the other hand, expanding Nato eastwards, foreign militaries arming ukraine, were all direct attacks on Russia
>direct attacks
Russia cries out in pain as it strikes you

The US can mostly whine about unfair loans, while China builds infrastructure in countries the US has bombed before. Sometimes China is even creating jobs to clear away unexploded munitions that have terrorized local communities for decades, as in the case of the recent railroad to Laos completed in December 2021. Despite dropping those munitions, the US government claims the financing for the railroad is unfair, because they are not the ones collecting interest.

>NATO has never been stronger and is likely going to admit Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine after this is over
I agree that this is the most likely outcome, but I'd like to consider a different possibility.
>russia gets completely btfo, even worse than we can see right now
>beaten by a couple try that isn't even in Nato
>Russia seemingly reduced to a paper tiger and Humiliated
>Europe decides that Nato isn't necessary anymore
>France finally gets their chance to push for a EU military
>EU is potentially a new third super power
>Europe is still to cheap to want to pay for a military so not much changes outside of a reduced US influence
It could happen. Especially now that the UK, historically the strongest backer of NATO and the biggest opponent of an EU army, has left the EU.

Japan's ex-PM calls for hosting US Nukes. He has lot of influence within the gov. Japan has also agreed to all sanctions of Russian economy and supported the NATO.

Its not just Japan, Korea is also doing some sanctions. Taiwan as well.

I don't think so purely because Russia will still have thousands of nukes even if they get BTFO here. NATO will exist as long as hostile foreign powers own nukes.

Cuba getting militarized by the USSR was a direct threat to the US. Same case here. Now go to your airgapped intranet wiki page and copy another meaningless phrase

Yeah....

Right? If I was China's I'd think twice about taking any military action against Taiwan. They'll be shut out of international trade and a war will happen where they'll be completely isolated.

Now that Russian state has lost all political brownie points, the economies tanking, the military show being seen as third rate at best, China cannot count on Russia anymore (Russia also may not help China cause China has calculated and did not help Russia).

This failed Russian war set the Chinese ambitions back further 10-20 years.

Cuba is militarized by the Russians you retard they still have troops there.

We decided not to start a war over it, because we're not retarded.

Russian oil and gas are exempt from sanctions. Let that sink in. Putin knew before the conflict started, that the Green revolution in Europe made them more dependent on natural gas, not less. The more coal fire/ nuclear plants you close, and the more windmills and solar panels you build. The more natural gas you consume. There is no non-nuclear green solution for the winter in Europe, yet retards keep claiming otherwise, its literally against the laws of physicals. Why do you think the biggest supporters of wind and solar are oil and gas companies? Green new-deal faggots are literally useful idiots, for Saudi and Russia.

All the Sanctions don't have that much teeth. Whats actual going to happen? After the war, Russia will threaten to cut off oil and gas during a harsh winter. Deal is made. Back to business.

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Just to correct a bit, Korea's anti-US/pro-China gov have not been that forthcoming, so the US is forcibly placing trade restrictions on Korean exports of US technology.

>only Russia can sell gas
Its wake up time.

France has just enough nukes to provide a detterent force to shelter Europe. Though really this is a pipe dream because Germany and the eastern Europeans have no incentive to ditch NATO so long as big daddy America keeps footing the bill for everyone.

Putin has always struck me as a shrewd and pragmatic decision maker in the past, I'm genuinely surprised by his seemingly emotion-driven course of action throughout this whole situation. I'm honestly starting to think there might be something to the claims that his mind has passed its "best before" date.

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this dumbass doesnt even know about the cuban missile crisis. The USSR walked back their plans to place nuclear armament in Cuba, which led to war being averted.

NATO could exercise no such discretion here. Ukraine was publicly talking about nuclear armament a week before invasion. A legally binding guarantee (like the one you signed about your mental disability under the ADA) saying that ukraine would not join NATO, could have stopped this.

natural gas is not cost effective to move by ship or train. The cheapness of Russian gas came from the pipelines. Importing US natural gas is not going to be cheap. Its ether going to require government subsidies from the cuck US taxpayer, or Europe will just foot the bill.

Worst troll attempt i have seen all day

It is definitely better to spend more on natural gas from a country who does not launch invasions, even if it has to come over the atlantic by ship

Ukraine had the world's third largest nuclear arsenal in 1994 and the US literally shipped it all back to Russia.

gg no re retard

Normally yes.
But thats not what the globalist fuckwits decided on doing so now they are fucking stuck with it.

Talking about the current decade, not when your goblina mother was still in middle school getting knocked up. I bet you thought that little factoid was a real bazinga moment kek.

Now that Russia has finally shown the world how bad wars of aggression and invasions are, maybe Europe can find the moral courage to order it from a peaceful democracy like the US, even if they have to pay more.

Russia is unironically getting their teeth kicked in right now but those numbers are most likely way too high

>Whats actual going to happen? After the war, Russia will threaten to cut off oil and gas during a harsh winter.
That's only IF Russia survives pennyless until winter so they won't end up trading gas reserves for humanitarian aid instead.

Russia has lands that China considers clay. This whole mess might just present them an opportunity..

China isn't as retarded as to invade Taiwan, they can just wait a couple more decades and they'll come back into the fold willingly. Xi is playing the long game while Putin got the delusions of restoring the USSR in his lifetime and we're seeing the result of him pissing his pants over realizing that it was realistically never gonna happen. Russia was also an ally out of convenience at best, don't forget that the Chinese and Russians are wrestling over the same spheres of influence in the Central Asia. Now devastated and cut off from the West, Moscow has no option but to turn limping to China, conceding to be their unconditional bitch to get access to their (and by extension global) markets.

actually the ruble has risen in value since the invasion. currently stands at 83 rubles per us dollar

Cool

banks in russia are selling it for 100+, 150+ in some places

>couple more decades and they'll come back into the fold willingly. Xi
lmao that will never happen, especially knowing what happened with hong kong

>ad wars of aggression and invasions are, maybe Europe can find the moral courage to order it from a peaceful democracy like the US, even if they have to pay more.

They are called Europoors for a reason. Average people will literally pay more then double for Gas if it is shipped from the USA. For Europoors, that is like the US saying, "we are going to take a moral stance on Saudi Arabia, it really means that gasoline will be $7 everywhere. People would stop giving a fuck about moral high ground right away. Doubling gas bills in Europe is some yellow vest shit. They won't do shit, because like now, they don't really care that much, hence the exemption on Oil and Gas from Russia.

>what happened with hong kong
Antifa riots emanating from the US embassy?
Cringe glowniggers trying to harness Pepe because they attributed magical 2016 election powers to it?
Anti china twitter bot posts?
Massive butthurt when it fizzled without the desired "human rights" event?

Russians are made to suffer. Putin is an autocrat. Russia has plenty of gas and plenty of agriculture. They can "survive" a winter.

You’re reading the chart wrong, bigger number means you need more of it to buy a dollar
>k in charge of macroecon

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It just shows there is literally no reason for Sweden and Finland to join NATO. They could stall Russia themselves

>After the war, Russia will threaten to cut off oil and gas during a harsh winter
Yeah right lol. Cause when you're operating a gas station masquerading as a country you have the luxury of choosing who to sell gas to and can afford to cut off a client that makes 70% of your sales. Russia is just that kind of resilient healthy economy that can cover the lack of income and still run its public services. LOL

>smoked opposition out with artillery and air support
this only works when you're waging war in a desert with mud huts. the second you actually have to worry about civilians and other collateral, its no longer viable.

If Xi waits more time, Chinese economy will grow for sure, but at the same time, escalation of war means going back to caveman era. They will have much more to lose. Hopefully by that time, a new leadership in China will take place and more democratic and free'er China will be at the helm.

Its collapsing in Russia right now. Our stock market isn't open just yet, since its sunday, but monday will be the reckoning day if things don't improve.

this is bait right?
carpet bombing kiev is literally the nato ground involvement speedrun. russia may be mentally handicapped at times but they aren't completely retarded and understand that this only works if other countries don't get involved.

>russia
>public services

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youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

>what is history

You mutts are truly a race of underdeveloped subhumans

twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1497987741354799108

Some Russian banks that still are open will take 170 Ruble to 1 USD conversion. Even those banks may not last as there maybe even more sanctions in coming days.

>why hasn't nato invaded the world's largest nuclear power already???

Ukraine giving up their nukes in 1994 does not negate the threat posed to Russia in 2022 by Ukraine being militarized by NATO, seeking NATO membership, and threatening to host nuclear weapons. Better for Russia to deal with it now than wait for the infestation to grow into actual NATO troops on their border.

NATO will never get involved. Russia could be killing every man women and child in Ukraine and they wouldn't do shit.

Hell, they probably would keep gas flowing too. MAD and green energy dependence on natural gas. Putin thought of this shit before doing this custer fuck invasion.

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>They'll be shut out of international trade and a war will happen where they'll be completely isolated.
this is a pipe dream. russia isn't even a blip on the radar of the global export economy and petroleum is literally the ONLY relevant export they have (which the US is more than happy to replace). china is the largest trading partner of almost every relevant country in the world. they could glass taiwan tomorrow and 90% of countries would still continue to trade with them out of necessity. they're certainly taking notes from russia's shitshow invasion but you're kidding yourself if you think that taiwan is an equivalent situation

braindeath, the post. mans seen too much krokodil.

ukies shouldve kept their nukes. Bet they wish they wouldnt have listened to the west in 1994, kek.

Russia provides good chunk of energy security to most of Europe.

Finland relies ~90% of energy on Russia. Germany relies ~50% of energy Russia. France relies 25% of energy on Russia. Italy has ~50% of energy coming from Russia.

This isn't just financial, its a direct home heating/electricity for every billion+ people in Europe. China trades collapsing will hurt China more than it will hurt the rest of the world.

Africa supplies plenty of gas through pipelines dumb dumb

Europoors are not going to shutdown gas. Like I said. They will freeze and have rolling blackouts with triple to price, Niggers in Africa are not going to close the gap. You understand that Russia has the largest natural gas reserves on the planet.

Is this the end of Article 9? Jap CATOBAR Super Carriers when?

It's gonna suck but having high electricity bills to outbid the Chinese for LNG is better than having an expansionist Russia on your doorstep forever.

The subs are constantly being tracked, the moment they go up to open their hatches is the moment they get sent down forever.

Ivan, by your own logic that means there is even less reason for Russia to invade Ukraine.

Russia too stronk to invade = Ukraine being in NATO wouldn't change shit

Russia weak enough to invade = Ukraine being in NATO wouldn't change shit

Believing anything Putin says should be mandatory gulag

>Putin thought about this

No. No he did not. Biden has already failed to address gas prices. Do you think he's gonna give a fuck about you or me or your whore mother? We should all have bought more fuel efficient cars, as far as that fossil is concerned. He'll fuck us all over to fuck Russia. And frankly, I can live with that. Fuck Putin, Fuck Russia, and Fuck your Commie-loving ass too.

No digits, though. USA confirmed for GOAT

I feel sorry for the people of Russia.
It doesn't even matter if Russia wins or loses. The people of Russia will suffer for decades after this.

Can't happen soon enough.

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Oh absolutely. Even as an American who takes delight at the downfall of the Russian government, I feel terrible for the ~50% Russian citizens who wanted nothing to do with this war. Russia is going to be economically devastated after this and it's going to be hard to find any quality of life unless you're already wealthy. Another example of a government shitting on its own people.

Thanks for explaining basic currency conversions to the fucking retards on this board

Interesting video. If that's the case then they should make a deal that Ukraine will not exploit its resources or join NATO, but will still be able to get support from it just in case and be done with this bullshit.

It's all ogre for Russia as energy sanctions come into effect (which they will, given time). China will get really sick of pulling Russia's deadweight around - for a short time they might keep them around as friend for the cheap oil (because who else are they going to sell to) but China is well on track to expand its nuclear and renewables sources.

Much as I love my AK and Russia, in a 1vs1 none occupation war, we'd roflstomp them. They are having trouble with Ukraine. UKRAINE, it's not even one of the top ten most powerful militarys in the world.

What is Russia's long term plan if renewable and other shit takes off eventually?

not joining nato is one thing, but telling them to expoit their own resources is unthinkable. the resource part is especially enlightening imo. that could explain how oligarchs other than putin could have wished for this invasion. imagine having to compete with another eventual petrostate this close to you.
the world really does run on oil.

Sell to China. After that they only have timber and snow.

>Chechens
Moscow know they aren't truly loyal. Getting rid of a good chunk of their fighting age men isn't a bad consolation prize.
This for the Kazakhs

Renewables wont take off. Those are a massive subsidized scam engine.

Nuclear on the other hand is a real deal and could help a lot.

ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!!!

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Big problemo with your idea...France is completely retarded
No, no they do not. Even with the UKs Nukes combined there are many US nukes on the continent, if France AND the UK had enough nukes to provide a detterent force in europe their would be no US nukes.

Well fuckin duh

So Russia dies as a significant aggressor and then what? NATO is just going to sit on its ass for ever spending billions to keep a war machine going and primed for...? China?

>wont take off
they already have, they simply need to continue and take a much greater share

>subsidized scam
You do realize how many kickbacks and incentives the oil industry receives in the US right? But yes, if there wasn't such a tarnished reputation nuclear would be even better if we could solve the demand bumps issue it has. While wind and solar can be unavailable at times nuclear can be really slow to ramp power levels. Latest generation designs could probably go someway to mitigate this weakness and are tremendously, orders of magnitude safer (thorium fuel for instance) but you'll still either need far more energy storage or some other near instant response source (currently gas generators fill niche).

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Russia becomes part of the EU and NATO and China is pretty much fucked.

Whats the problem here? Its impossible to limit back arms funds?

>after two posts you still dont get the joke

>keep a war machine going and primed for...? China?
Pretty much, yes.

>for...? China?
Yes, exactly. For China.

They're banking on it not. They might even be right, and either way global warming benefits them since it increases their arable and habitable land.

I’m pretty sure the US has their terrestrial silos solved almost completely.
It’s the subs that are the problem.
Because a nuclear sub is quite literally the most dangerous weapon system on earth.

US is funding experimental microreactor in Romania. Those should mitigate the massive entry barrier to nuclear energy.

Yes, oil is subsidized but not to the degree green is, in Europe the situation is absolutely hilarious when it comes to 'green' anything.

Honestly the issue of petrochemicals is less so much about pollution as it is about geopolitics, and green energy is also liable to be drawn into that as solar has a limited lifespan of usage, considerable issue with breakage, and the wind turbines have less of a issue with being drawn in geopolitics but both are way way to dependent on weather patterns and are at best tertiary energy providers. Biomass is imho not even worth considering as that is even more of a scam, and are worse than coal if you tally everything up.

Nuclear is less dependent on energy storage compared to wind and solar to be usable 24/7.

Imho nuclear is the only option that can provide constant energy supply and has also the energy density for future increased demand, as energy demand will only rise, regardless of all the campaigns to have lower energy demands for household usage - something that is less of a major consumer compared to industrial consumers but i digress.

tl:dr, green is a feelgood joke. the only true green is nuclear.

Lol, the more wind and solar you get the MORE dependant on natural gas your grid becomes. It happened in America, it happened in Europe.Oh, you think magic wind and solar panels will work in the cold of winter in Europe that has limited daylight? You really think grid storage with batteries and water pumps will power a fucking city? Why do you think gas companies lobby for wind and solar? The only green solution is nuclear. Green new deal nigger loving faggots are just useful idiots for fracking.

Russia becoming friendly with the West, joining NATO, and fully utilizing their natural resources would make NATO more unstoppable than it already is. Makes me want to COOM.

this

>Europe is an USA puppet
>USA kneels to china
USA is the bad guy, pretending otherwise makes you the retard.

Might is right and the USA has the big PP

Pray that global warming allows them better access to their natural resources before the country implodes.

>EU army
no.
Just no.
EU battlegroups tend to be significantly less effective in exercises than their monolithic counterparts. Another problem is the german constitution: They will not fight without a UN mandate or a clear cut case of self defence, which France will not accept.
No, what we are most likely to see is a significantly stronger european military defence partnership, possibly leading to a less important NATO as France and Germany become more self sufficient in defence matters compared to their previous reliance on US military strength and their surrounding partners relying more and more on guarantees from the european economic and military powerhouses and less and less on the US.
> Germany sharing nukes with european nuclear powers instead of US
as cool as that would be and as many problems as that would solve for them, it is unlikely to happen.

Of note: The US is trying to acquire Hensoldt because they used passive radar to defeat stealth. I.e. you can't see the system, but the system can see F35, F22, F117 and B2. With Germany now massively increasing their funding, chances are Hensoldt will be a strategic asset that germany might not be willing to sell.

the Any Forums trannies are at it again...

Because the expansion of an organization has never ended up weakening it.

this was a /k/ thread

Do these people still do anything?

Maybe they can attend to the important business of Zoe Quinn's Internet trolls or some climate change declarations.

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What's that World War 2 quote again? “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

They've awoken many giants.

Yes, the more organizations expand the more powerful they become, instead of disappearing into its own asshole.

The west has become a joke.

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