I am so fucking tired of online politics. The whole space is so malebrained and toxic and I seriously can’t think of a single person involved in the community who has done anything good for the world. All of them are terrible advocates for whatever beliefs they have and just use trans people and other minorities as stepping stones to get twitter clout or money or whatever. Its so disgusting but nobody can see it because they are already invested in this awful style of political engagement where the goal is to make people as upset as possible to signal to other people how smart and correct they are and not because they actually care about anything they talk about. I just want to stop paying attention to it but I feel like I can’t escape it because i’m a tranny with no irl friends or interests and this is the only real way to understand what other trannies are going through. I fucking hate it and i wish there was some other community i could be a part of that wasn’t so toxic but I don’t think something like that even can exist in the modern online space. it's depressing
I am so fucking tired of online politics...
I thought vaush was a pretty good trans advocate
>mmmmmm girls with horsecocks
>mmmmmmmmm poon
yeah great advocate
Twitch debate streams are for stupid, overly online teens who enjoy “facts and logic” theatricality. Read some Marx, Lukács, Adorno, or Baudrillard if you’re interested in leftist politics.
I don't see the issue
I'm not saying he's the best source, just that he seems pretty respectful on the matter, ao at elast for that it's not the worst person for people to follow
did he said explicit stuff about that?
Did this nigga just say that being logically consistent and using factual information is stupid, or did I misread?
True. I stopped watching politics streamers and I stopped reading posts from those politics communities as of a few weeks ago. They're very unproductive, dramatic, and it's treated too much like a sport.
You're fucking retarded if you think associating with a guy who openly defends pedophilia and bestiality is making us look better, mate.
Mocking the shallow and performative “facts and logic” style of online argumentation popularized by those dumb “Ben Shapiro DESTROYS…” videos. I used the quotes for a reason. Try to keep up.
nah vaush is based
What do you guys think about the official Vaush song? youtube.com
>openly defends pedophilia and bestiality
no idea about that to be fair, but isn't he still followed by milions of people? it's not really associating I think
don't you mean youtube.com
I think alot of them make this shit into a job or whatever so they have financial incentive to be like that. I've also stopped watching a lot of these youtube people when I realized its just trying win arguments over actually focusing on informing people or something productive. I'm generalizing obviously, but I still think the point stands for a lot of these types of online people.
It's a shame really. Call me a consoomer but I think YouTube didn't have to be so awful for politics, cuz it wasn't that bad a few years ago. Of course, like everything, it got incredibly tainted by money and everyone showed their true colors. Staring into a camera and talking for 15 minutes doesn't get clicks, but making a 2 hour ""documentary" that borders on children's edutainment does, apparently. The only big one that hasn't entirely succumbed to this imo is Shaun, even though he talks about stuff that I'm sure most of us already know about.
>facts and logic is preformative
As opposed to?
beggars can't be choosers
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you actually not understand the phenomenon to which I’m referring?
Listen cunt, I'm not a fucking "beggar" you're bestowing something upon, I'm a human being with a soul and humanity, I hate you're fat fucking warmongering federal-agent and I don't care if he's pro-trans. I love children more than I love some fat fuck streamer stroking my dick, and he's a danger to children just like his dad from Hollywood probably is.
I know what you're referring to, which is why I'm asking you to clarify what you're claiming is better
I assume that you have a problem with the performative part, and not the "facts and logics" part
Politics is a game played by the lower, and consumed by the even lesser.
You are better off
You literally don't have to, sis. Block out that noise, no exceptions. Be a cool gal and other cool gals will come your way.
Read this thread: twitter.com
>twitter
No thanks
I'd rather eat shit
I agree. Money probably has a big influence on it. The audiences want entertainment and expect certain views, so the streamers and video makers have to cater to those things far more than necessary. I especially agree with what you said about them just trying to win arguments. It was so frustrating watching debate panels because of how chaotic and unprepared they are.
Having a superiority complex about social media platforms makes you a retard, sorry. If you want your questions answered, read the thread. It will take you less than three minutes. If not, fuck off and go back to your low IQ streams. Can’t stand no attention span children.
the whole community is white people who support defund the police calling each other Nazis
I genuionely don't understand her jump to capitalism bad at one point
Wdym?
>Having a superiority complex about social media platforms makes you a retard
Using twitter makes you mentally ill
I'll take being a retard that shuns twitter over a being a mentally ill twitter user
>do you actually not understand the phenomenon to which I’m referring
guys please stop talking like this holy shit i cant handle the vaushbrain
I mean what should connect the 7th and 8th tweet, but i't probably because I'm half asleep now
Vaush is based, sorry
The right has their epic masc debatebros so the left nees them to, if everyone is a sapphic triggered tranny on tiktok in the leftist political space that would be horrible.
Like it or not, people like manly men to lead movements, if nothing else. Also he has the best understanding and takes on trans people ( much better than even the average troon ) on the internet
ok
Not this homely old pic again? It's so pathos
Political science and economics academics tend to make a lot of absurd, patently false assumptions about how humans think and interact with the world (usually based in a liberal capitalist worldview), never mind the methodological constraints of quantitative social science itself.
ah ok, thanks
vaush fans talk about him like hes some kind of optics god to the left but literally everybody outside of his own community thinks he is a pedophile. plus his choice of language makes him sound like an edgy reddit atheist from 2012. the only people who think he is doing any good are people who are already so dug into online politics that they dont see how he looks like to the average person. he isnt any better than other lefty political advocates, hes just bad in a different way
yup!!
nta but he makes ten milions view every week, saying "outside of his community" doesn't say much
Destiny is a miniscule manlet and Vaush is a 500 pound lardass, these aren't "manly men".
>vaush fans talk about him like hes some kind of optics god to the left but literally everybody outside of his own community thinks he is a pedophile
This is the funniest shit honestly it's like they managed to get it 100% ass backwards
Sorry, this is the only true political lgbt advocate
god he's such a daddy
What is the point of reading these if you can't do anything about it in your daily life? Just makes you think more.
It's true
It’s better than watching Twitch debate streamers. You’ll walk away more knowledgeable and well-read.
why does he look italian?
I kinda wished that breadtube wasn't so vain and actually produced content. Debate bros aren't really good.
I don't know whats worse though breadtube was cringe but was okay. Debate bros are in your face but stupidly unlikeable
bc he's a suave balkan cretin
>cretin
crétin*
I know, that's why I ask
*sniffs*
This debate bro shit actually started off on mostly far right channels back before youtube banned them all. Destiny was in on it early though and would come on to the right wing youtube channels to debate. It was still shit a lot of the time but there were far more outbreaks of genuine entertainment (all of this debate bro shit is just entertainment) than in todays lame twitch kid debate scene because it was much more polarized, anything goes, no 'no fun allowed' twitch mods, youtube was far less strict and there was more hardcore drama between sperg communities white knighting their youtuber/streamer. After the biggest spergs with the most beef all stopped debating once the big match ups were settled, the whole thing petered out and a lot of them were banned. I don't know how these 12 year olds on twitch find entertainment value in the 100th debate between boring twitch socialist #372 vs boring twitch liberal #243 with no trash talk allowed under threat on banning. These twitch streamers are just milking the cow dry while they can, can't believe people pay money for that shit. Twitch must have the lowest grade audience in the history of any media.
Books, which use facts and logic but in the form of a typographic medium dedicated to long form argumentation and careful debate instead of attempting to turn serious political discussion into entertainment.
Breadtube is too liberal, even the """anarchists""" are fucking libs. It's full of high middle class white yankee idiots that I doubt actually believe what they say.
I cant respect fat people. simple as
i honestly like destinys research streams and non-debate informative content much more now
what gets under my skin with these politicfags is how many of them dont even read their own foundational texts, just a bunch of angry teens addicted to outrage porn on twitter. some 17 year old sucking the USSRs cock despite not knowing them economically or culturally (linear vs reverse perspective in art for example) will always baffle me
i guess this place has its fair share of screencap outrage porn but still
>Marx, Lukács, Adorno, or Baudrillard if you’re interested in leftist politics.
Why the fuck would waste your time reading this garbage or being a leftist in general? Was Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killing all those people not enough for you?
>I don't see the issue
lol
>why read Marx
Do people really? He is one of the most influential writers of all time, like it or not. At worst, you'll read his books and have a better understanding of what Marxism is. I have learned a lot about the Nazis, does not make me a nazi, they had a very important ideology, even if I disagree with it knowing what it actually is is important if you actually care about finding truth
yeah bro the main thing to know about adorno and baudrillard is that they fucking loved stalin
>Just makes you think more
Do people not like thinking? I feel like I only exist in the world to try and understand it.
I hope this is a joke or I am truly lost
>Do people really? He is one of the most influential writers of all time
Appeal to majority fallacy.
>you'll read his books and have a better understanding of what Marxism is
Its just propaganda, retard. Why don't you read an actual history book about socialism in practice instead mouthing off this psuedo-intellectual non-sense. Read the bible if you want something that is useful or practical. Don't read garbage by a bum who never worked a day in life and died a beggar and a nobody.
The main thing to know about socialists is every socialist is a dictator in disguise. No amount of sophistry from you will change that.
You mediocre humanities majors make your sociology 101 course a bigger deal than it really is. Philosophy departments peddle that garbage because its great propaganda for people with useless degrees like you.
damn bro that’s crazy. i’m sorry you’re such a retard who gets mad about books lmao
vaush is pretty hot desu
I’m a lawyer. Most definitely make more than you. Cope and seethe.
>Appeal to majority fallacy.
what are you on about
I didn't say he was popular, I said he was influential. If you have any interest in history it is worth reading.
>Its just propaganda, retard. Why don't you read an actual history book about socialism in practice instead mouthing off this psuedo-intellectual non-sense. Read the bible if you want something that is useful or practical.
So you are just an anti-intellectual? Why not just start with that
>Don't read garbage by a bum who never worked a day in life and died a beggar and a nobody.
That tells me nothing about the worth of a set of ideas a person might have. Why not just evaluate ideas on their own level?
Do people think there is magical fairydust or extremely effective fallacies in these books that will brainwash people if they dare look at a page? I don't get why it is scary to just read something, lol. I'd read every book on earth if I could in a lifetime, that doesn't mean I agree with what they all have to say.
>Calling people retards
>Is a socialist and an atheist
Its incredible - you lack so much self awareness you don't know why so many people hate commie scum like you.
Sure, man. Whatever you say.
>I’m a lawyer.
Yeah, a sophist, like I said. And you're probably one of those progressive DAs who's behind all those criminals on the streets racking the crime rates in shit holes like SF and Portland with your woke non-sense?
You are a ad popular fallacy to defend a guy who's ideas have done nothing to ruin millions of lives, and you stupidly argue you can just ignore all that because Marx wrote a nice book that made you feel warm and fuzzy inside. What is with you retarded humanities majors ignoring reality for your worthless books? Do you even have a job? I doubt it.
>If I just read Marx; all the people who died because of his ideas just go away
Are you retarded?
you’re angryposting on Any Forums on a thursday night because someone listed some reading recommendations for dead guys you’ve clearly never read. bro, just do everyone in your life a big favor and kys. you’re obviously an asshole and it really seems like you’re not very bright.
We know many communists are lawyers, they make up garbage organizations like the ACLU and National Lawyers Guild - its not surprising, you're pests ruining society, we know
>defend a guy who's ideas have done nothing to ruin millions of lives, and you stupidly argue you can just ignore all that because Marx wrote a nice book that made you feel warm and fuzzy inside. What is with you retarded humanities majors ignoring reality for your worthless books?
It is just set of words that convey an idea bro, it isn't that deep - it won't hurt you. I never even said that I like the books he wrote either, I just said that I have read them. Does just reading someone political take brainwash you into being one of them? I don't get it
>Are you retarded?
What? This comparison makes 0 sense.
Just say you aren't interested in education or in learning about ideas you might not agree with next time.
cool non arguments, bizarre fantasies about my life. this is getting boring. have a nice night kek
Nobody gives a fuck if you read Marx, you loser. Marx was a failure in life, like you, and nobody cares him or you. You're not an intellect person because you read some Talmudic propaganda from worthless Jew. You communists are just going to be shot because everyone knows you're a violent criminal who wants to murder people and steal their property. You are the same human scum who defend Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and Stalin. You deserve nothing but death. Degenerates like you are why I vote Republican and support conservative politicians. Because they are going to put an end to you and people like you.
Why are you defending mass murderers like Mao Zedong, Stalin and Pol Pot? Its not going to work here; you're hated here. This isn't twitter, retard. We don't tolerate your leftist degeneracy here.
I don't give a fuck about Marx's life , I don't give a fuck about Marx, I care about Marx's ideas. Anyone who cares about Marx cares about him because of his ideas. What do you think of his ideas?
I literally never said anything about any of them, you are really triggered
>I care about Marx's ideas
Because you're a leftist degenerate with slave morality looking for an alibi to be a violent criminal. We know, that's why people like Rittenhouse just execute your worthless in the streets.
>I literally never said anything about any of them
You openly promote and defend him, nigger. You support the mass murder brought to the world by Marx's ideas.
Okay, dude lol
>Not going to address why my ideas have murdered millions of people
>Just gonna be a sophist and refuse to accept responsibility for what I believe
Then don't be surprised when people just shoot your worthless brains out like Kyle did
Sure, man lol
So you don't think his ideas are even worth knowing about? I think all political ideas are worth knowing about if possible.
>slave morality
unlike the based chads who know their place as lesser proles and simp for their billionaire overlords right?
>You support the mass murder brought to the world by Marx's ideas.
But I don't. That is also wildly inaccurate, but I don't think you will let me try to explain that one
you wouldnt be a beggar if you chose more wisely.
>I'm indoctrinated with communist propaganda
>I'm an intellectual
So your whole world view, since reading Marx, can be summed up that you envy people that richer than you because you're a bum who lacks the intelligence or skills to be a productive member of society? Marxism is just a cope for you to ignore the genes and culture determine everything that moves the world forward. You just want an ideology that panders to your inferiority by blaming your patheticness in life on people other than yourself. Bezos isn't why you're a loser in life - you're a loser in life because you spend all your time Any Forums seething at him instead of being a productive member of society.
>enter a literal cult
>WAAAH why don't people understand me!?!?!
What shapes culture, user?
Constantly trying to psychoanalyze and assume things about people through an imageboard thread is not a great way to make any sort of argument. It seems pretty obvious to that you are just ranting at a wall
based
I dont know pmuch anything but does a book user have recommendation for understanding right favored perspective? Have come to just dislike it cuss everytime see it, it just comes across as "x is bad" fingerpoint screaming. Does rightside offer anything worthwhile other than slamming the breaks when left tries to go too far too fast which admittedly does seem necessary? Left seems useful for pursuing better good and understanding n not settling for it works(barely) so don't touch it from perspective.
But might just be a dumbass
>pol pot
That stupid fucking psycho is NOT a communist. For one he was CIA funded, implanted 0 communist polices and just killed people. Plus he kept the royal family of his country alive and in power. What kind of “revolutionary”keeps the greatest and most powerful oppressors in power? Fuck him, his CIA funding, his disgusting anti-intellectualism, and his monarchy. The communist Vietnamese government AND a group of communists in Cambodia who hated Pol Pot(for good reason) stood against him as well. If you’re actively being attacked by other communist countries, you’re not a communist.
>pic related is the king of the country who Pol Pot kept around to lead
>it wasn't real communism bro
Fuck off, retard. Its always the same excuse. Blame the CIA, never take responsibility for the mass murder you commit. In my state, New Hampshire, we are going to pass a bill to ban teaching Marxism in schools. You degenerates are going to suffer.
>HE WASN'T A COMMUNIST DOOD HE WAS A CIA
That's why he got the majority of funding from China. That's why he was trained in China. That's why he called himself a Marxist-Leninist and was in charge of a communist party. And that's why he specifically tried to emulate the policies of the Great Leap Forward, and killed millions in the process. You are retarded.
rightism IS doomerism
so read something nihilistic and life denying
ayn rand i guess?
>the right is nihilistic
Neither Seneca or the bible are nihilistic. Its the left that is nihilistic. Its why they justified mass murder, gender nihilism, cultural Marxism and critical race theory. Its way they attack religion and so adamantly defend abortion. Leftists are the most life denying people because they want life to be without struggles that create great men. Instead, everyone should be as in equal in misery and patheticness as them so that no one is better than the herd. Life is too hard for them, and being a victim is much easier than having the agency to control your own life. The whole concept of leftism, in general, is to turn man into the perfect herd animal without deviation. Atheist, godless, hedonistic and sexually degenerate.
>cultural Marxism
ok so you are insane
conservatism is predicated on the idea that any attempt at the improvement of society is doomed to fail
>The whole concept of leftism, in general, is to turn man into the perfect herd animal without deviation
supremely ironic given the history of facism and the world of which it desires
What is the left perspective besides being resentful you don't have the success and wealth of others. People become leftists because they just want to whine, complain, and find excuse as to why must be revengeful against those who stand about their pauperism. What does the left contribute to this world but problems? You people don't start families, you don't work or contribute to the world in a positive way - you just want to blame whitey for your problems.
But you're not improving society. How is encouraging abortion, rioting and and laziness (like anti-work() improving society? Tell us again how you have improved society? You've nothing but make society worse.
>encouraging abortion
I believe in the freedom of choice in whatever that may be for people.
>anti-work
lol. you could say the same about slaves or the children who used to work in factories, businesses are not entitled to work in any way.
Want more people to work? Make a better deal
>rioting
good
for 10,000 years civilization never stood still, changed and morphed, but in the last 50 years we finally figured it out! Seems like the only real tradition is that culture always changes
>I believe in the freedom of choice in whatever that may be for people.
You believe woman should have the free choice of killing their children.
>lol. you could say the same about slaves or the children who used to work in factories,
But this isn't tangibly related to the fact you believe people should not work and just live off the government. I don't think you understand child labor either; children do labor all the time at home, school while not being paid for it, and not all labor for children is dangerous. Child labor is still legal because its a great way get kids into the work force so that they can take care of themselves, you retard.
>rioting is good
And the police shooting idiots like you is good. If you're going to around terrorizing people, get your head blown off. Lefty retard, and you wonder why the country is becoming more and more conservative.
Isn't antiwork based on saying work conditions as is are a shit deal for many? Like would you say people back when there was 0 work safety regulations were "anti work"? That's what the conservatives then were saying. Unless you genuinely believe that most work currently has no room for improvement and is not something that should be improved whatsoever. Unless again you think companies are incentived to do literally anything other than push to get away with more and more for a better bottom line.
I'm curious what the rights answer to this is? I haven't heard anything that even approaches a solution.
did this nigga just post a jordan peterson quote? this was confirmed bait at this point it has to be lmao i know its late but just know if you take anything he says seriously you're a clown worse than any 13 year old who read the manifesto and nothing else and calls themselves a communist.
>You believe woman should have the free choice of killing their children.
Sure, if they want
The rights of the born > the rights of the unborn, sorry
not like that is why you care anyway, user.
>you believe people should not work and just live off the government
This is so untrue. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
No one believes this
>And the police shooting idiots like you is good. If you're going to around terrorizing people, get your head blown off. Lefty retard, and you wonder why the country is becoming more and more conservative.
Accelerationism is ideal desu
>Isn't antiwork based on saying work conditions as is are a shit deal for many?
No? Did you not watch the interview on Fox News? It about sitting on your ass and doing nothing because being more than a part time worker is "exploitative." and having to work for a wage i "slavery."
>believe that most work currently has no room for improvement
If you believe your job is so horrible why wouldn't you just find another job or file a complaint with your labor department, retard? Why would you go on reddit, and encourage people to be communists and to be a bum like anti-work was doing? Why wouldn't you encourage people to start their own businesses, why wouldn't you encourage people to form mutual associations to help workers? The conservative is to always rely on yourself, your family, and your capabilities. The left solution is to whine until someone does something you do not want to do. Improve comes from you. It does come from you being a complainer.
>Tell people to read Marx
>NOOO DONT READ PETERSON
So, you admit Marx is just propaganda, gotcha. Thank you for making it clear you only care about pushing non-sense and brainwashing people. Kill yourself.
he got mad at you for quoting it and agreeing with it not reading it
>Why wouldn't you encourage people to start their own businesses
the answer to systemic exploitation isn't that more people should try and become exploiters.
There isn't "systemic exploitation." Actually, exploitation is just a meaningless buzzword. You can not live on this Earth without "exploiting" people. Men have finite time, and finite resources - exploitation is simply the most efficient way to accomplish tasks in those limited parameters. The answer to your problems is to be responsible for your life instead of complaining you were too stupid to take advantage of your opportunities with in. You dumbass belief in ending "exploitation" is completely utopian and anti-human. Stop believing in dumb kumbyah shit, and witness reality.
>interview on fox News
I guess this is mostly a bait but whatever
>doing nothing because being more than a part time worker is "exploitative." and having to work for a wage i "slavery.
So cuss its a shit deal?
>Why wouldn't you encourage people to start their own businesses
Everyone can't own a business realistically
>Why wouldn't you encourage people to form mutual associations to help workers?
So being part of the left? Who believe in such things and don't attempt to dismantle it?
>The left solution is to whine until someone does something you do not want to do. Improve comes from you
So refusing to partake I work environments you disagree with In order to put pressure on those environments through policy you vote for and making use of your labor as a respurce you can withold as you should? Or I guess "complaining"
>So cuss its a shit deal?
If its a shit deal - that's really your problem to fix it instead of bitching like a child.
>Everyone can't own a business realistically
So what, retard? Learn how to improvise. If you can't start a business, find another job. Find some way to survive. World isn't here to solve all your problems and meet your needs, retard. You have to actually put in the work.
>So being part of the left?
Actually, no, being part of the left means brown-nosing and social climbing on social media.
>So refusing to partake I work environments
You don't work at all. You don't do anything. You just waste peoples' time.
I do agree on improvising being important and will always be necessary else life would be really boring. But I don't see how that relates to putting pressure on politics to regulate companies. Your argument would be in direct support of 0 safety regulations and honestly no regulations in general. Do you really believe that's in the best interest of all people? If you do I don't think there's anyway I could understand your perspective being realistic.
The other points were just saying I'm a poopoohead so Idk what to say really there
Yeah, you have a sense of entitlement. You think just because you exist you are owed a good life. You are not. You are only owed what you are capable of acquiring for yourself. All your problems in life stem from your ineptitude. That's why plenty of people aren't leftists, have families, and have jobs they enjoy. Why? Because they didn't spend all their on twitter, Any Forums et cetera like you virtue signalling how hard life is. They actually put in the work to improve themselves. They saved their money, they went back to school to learn a profitable skill, they got better with finances, they found another job. They did not whine how helpless they are, and how hard their life is.
A fucking loser like you wants to bitch and whine. Everyone before you were born had lives much harder than you - you live in one of the most easiest times in world history to be successful in life. You literally have a stable internet connection, a roof over your head, and you want to bitch about your so called "problems.' You're absolutely pathetic. That's why faggots like you and Dohreen get laughed off Fox News. Who could take retards like you seriously? You're a degenerate. A joke.
Oh no dude not New Hampshire, and Marxism banned in schools? Well known that Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto are mandatory reading in America. This will change so much.
more like dr jordan p gayerson lmao
t. guy who owned him
I hate all of you people. You’re all fucking morons.
Vaush is shit.
I watched his.laat stream and he went full LIBERALS!!
Then he accused other people of racism based on ill intent and exceptionalism also based on it.
He also sprinkled a bit of Nazi swears here and there.
101 of how to act like a Himbo
Steven is the Ben Shapiro of lib cucks, (and is literally a cuck right now)
Voosh is fat with low self-esteem and you can tell because his girlfriend is crazy ugly.
Jordan B Peterson says nothing specific in that quote. A man who can stretch a thousand words across a page and elaborate nothing.
he does not do that but you're going to reply with some lame-ass out of context screencaps because the game never changes
Fascinating how people work their entire lives coveting retirement - a condition where they will never have to do work again - yet they then condemn others for not wanting to work. Curious.
where from?
Any Forums
Other boards really shit the bed man
you will never be a woman
it's not a bot thread, it got moved from another board
>where from?
Any Forums, it looks like
seems to be from Any Forums
see:
stop watching pseudos on the internet, watch press conferences and senate/house/commitee hearings if you want to learn about politics
Why doesn't Vaush get those keyloids fixed on his ears? It's not like he doesn't have that sweet goverment funding to spread propaganda