>Ukrainian military: 215,000 active personnel
>Russia soldiers ready to invade: 48,000
Is the Ukrainian military really so inept that, even with a 4:1 advantage,even on their own turf, they STILL can't beat the Russkies?
And don't give me comparisons with how fast the Afghan armed forces fell. None of those soldiers were patriots; they were check collectors. Ukrainians in contrast will fight and die for their cause with the ferocity of the Taliban.
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they got btfo'd all their army when they fought the rebels.
encirclements and shit
wouldnt bet a bent penny on the faggots
Russian tech is several generations ahead of Ukraine. Ukraine was begging US for Javelins. Man power isn't a good metric in wars, hasn't been for a while
Russia is an all-domain military power with a lot of experience and training.
Ukraine is a single-domain army with zero experience and sketchy command chain
No one can predict what Ukraine can do with NATO weapons. We will only be able to observe. Countries have done more with less against big nations.
> Ukrainians in contrast will fight and die for their cause with the ferocity of the Taliban.
Read less yellow press leafbro
Ukrainians will fight for as long as their commanders will stay in the fight.
But there’s very high doubts the political-military elite will want to risk their skin in a war with Russia. They talk big now but I can predict a majority switching sides very quickly
>they got btfo'd all their army when they fought the rebels.
The rebels? You mean the russian speaking ukranians that want to be annexed by Russia? They defeated the Ukrainian military?
>rebels
*russian special forces, their soldiers without insignia, local cannon fodder with weapons supplied from Russia.
Depending on what part of the command chain the disconnects begin, it can come as an advantage. When the disconnect is above the company, but the company itself is semi-autonomous, wars can (and have) be won. Take a look at WW2 battles when companies were oftentimes fractured but still managed to come together at their prescribed AO's and win the battle. Russia will not be able to maintain air superiority for long and even attempting it is suicidal and will lead to serious discourse in their ranks.
Interesting.
So a 70 well-equipped Russian battalions can defeat a lower-tech army that's 4 times as large?
If that's the case, then why doesn't the US move in with their ultra high-tech weaponry with 15 battalions and just effortlessly chase out the Russians?
>And don't give me comparisons with how fast the Afghan armed forces fell
Yeah, there’s no need in that because there’s a much more relevant example of how Ukrainian forces surrendered and switched sides in Crimea.
(there won’t be any war tho)
encirclements were what happened when they turned their back to the russian border assuming russian army wouldnt just take off their patches and advance directly with no pretext of "rebels" and they paid for their mistake
the russian army invaded because russian hybrid forces in donbabwe and luganda were nearly encircled and would have been cut off from supply
Take a look at Belarus.
Roughly 50% of the military-political camp in Belarus was anti-Lukashenko and want the uprising in 2020 to succeed. Now all of them are FSB subordinates.
Ukraine will be same.
People need to realise that when talking about Russia-Ukraine-Belarus we’re talking about a single country that is pretending to be 3 individual countries.
Once shit hits the fan, all masks come off and daddy takes the drivers seat
>Russia will not be able to maintain air superiority for long
why not?
is this pushing p?
>They defeated the Ukrainian military?
many times
>in donbabwe and luganda
On work&travel or just proxy?
>(there won’t be any war tho)
By that, do you mean that the Ukrainian army will just lay down their arms and let the russkies march effortlessly into Kiev?
Ukraine is a sorry mess. Russia is the #2 military power in the world.
Fug. Why didn't these rebels declare independence then? What are they waiting for?
Because the US has flooded Ukraine with more MANPADS than Russia has aircraft.
yes. soundly defeated.
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cant find the article about the original encirclement.
no. not enough green little men were involved in the whole affair.
they didnt need weapons either since ukrainian stockpiles were in donbas.
russia provided: veteran officers, and nco's (volontary)
and sattelite phones
there was a big fuss about russian support back in the time.
none has been proven:
>ru supported db with comms and command structure
>the rest was in situ
An obvious proxy pig. Its insane how retarded average hohol shill, no wonder they get paid only 250$ a month.
Kek
Imagine a manpad vs a cruise missile
No, i mean that putin is too much of pussy to start an actual war. All he wants by now is to spend his last decades in his Sochi villa among vineyards and don’t worry about NATO rockets nearby.
Because Ukraine is not a real country.
>can defeat
You "can" do a lot of things but will they? I don't know. Just pointing out that it's not as simple as competing the amount of troops/tanks etc. Ukraine also has the advantage because they're defending for example and are anticipating an invasion. There are a lot of factors. It's not going to be 215,000 vs 48,000 open field musket shootout between them.
>why doesn't the US move in with their ultra high-tech weaponry
They kind of have been "moving in". This is why Russia is freaking out and demanding that NATO stops their expansion. Nukes are the only safety guarantee Russia has and all NATO contrives actively maintain and install anti-nuking defenses. They're not 100% effective but still. Say if Russia was completely surrounded by NATO's defense structure than noting would really stop US mowing in and obliterating Russia
Russia isn't going to waste a cruise missile on 2 guys hidden in a tree line 20km from the nearest point of interest. Are you not familiar with Ukraine's landscape? When you're able to be stationary (2 guys stationed on AA duty innawoods), things like IR masking and camo are easy.
They did support them with hardware. But 80-90% of defenders were an actual domestic Ukrainians/Russians. It was a rebellion stemming from the US caused coup, the way they always do it. Support the elites of the country with bribery and keep people brainwashed, divided and radicalized to kill their countrymen. Same thing they did here, same thing in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Russia (georgia, checnia), even China with Uyghurs (even used them to attack Syria), and so on. It's easy when you print the money unaccountedly so you can invest into subversion and bribery across the world.
No he's not. Dude is a strategic genius. he knows better than steamrolling Ukraine right away. He's setting up the best strategic outcome before invading.
Russia won't use neither aviation nor cruise missiles anyway. It is not needed, except drones. Just classic encirclement with tanks moving along the railroads.
>If that's the case, then why doesn't the US move in with their ultra high-tech weaponry with 15 battalions and just effortlessly chase out the Russians?
Bc direct clashes between Russian and US military may lead to a nuclear war?
>>Russia soldiers ready to invade: 48,000
Wasn't it at least 100,000?