Bellamy: And that was something I kind of, dor all my life I've kind of looked at terrorists acts and kind of looked at them from two different angles and thought well, is this the real thing or are we being devalued to devalue a certain organisation's cause. And, I kind of, so really I think I kind of agree with you on September 11th. It's definitely ... you know, whether it's completely made to happen, or whether it's allowed to happen I'm not quite sure, as to which of those two it is. But I think there's definitely a lot of evidence, a lot of questions that need to be asked, a lot of questions need to be answered. Erm,
Jones: Well I agree. What do you think of Hugo Chavez, who, you know, try as they might to demonise him, he's basically giving free heating oil to the American people, and helping his people. He came out now, and I know he's seen my documentaries - I've talked to people who have delivered them to him. He's coming out and saying 'look, controlled demolition, the evidence is the military industrial complex stood to gain from this', he said it needs to be investigated, why do you think they're struggling so hard to not let it be investigated?
Bellamy: Well, I mean, it's clearly, it's clearly, I mean, my [?] view it's not necessarily the urm, the people we think are our leaders, George Bush and Tony Blair
Jones: Oh yeah, they're puppets.
Bellamy: I think the group of people behind these people, I think we're talking about an outsourced, you know something like the NSA, these kind of groups that have been given unbelievable amounts of money to do work behind our backs, and sometimes behind our government's backs, and erm, sometimes they get the chance to do these things without any, having to be accountable at all, and I think some of these agencies, they've been allowed to run free with a lot of, a lot of our money, and it's getting out of control and these people need to be reigned in, you know?
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