An argument goes, >No, America will never collapse or experience a civil conflict. It will turn into South Africa and Whites will be blended out. Whites are cowards who will never fight back Even if this were true, this would still lead to civil war, and thus race war, because the decline of White people would lead to deteriorating conditions for everyone. The collapse of institutions leads to less police presence. This causes more violence which escalates to more attacks on Whites. This leads to White retaliation which, given the collapsing police system, will not be persecuted.
War is guaranteed because collapsing countries are violence prone and a perfect environment for civil conflict. South Africa was a carefully managed collapse which would have exploded into a violent conflict in any normal circumstance.
>South Africa was a carefully managed collapse which would have exploded into a violent conflict in any normal circumstance. ....which South Africa are you referring to, because the SA I grew up in was violent as fuck and is still is.
We had armed guards for the entirety of my life there.
South Africa is violent, but never evolved into a serious civil war yet.
Daniel Jenkins
South African Border War? Angolan CIVIL War? What are those if not civil wars?
Jacob Reed
The Angolan Civil War was a foreign conflict which South Africa engaged in. I'm talking about the kind of serious internal conflict akin to the Rhodesian Bush War or the Yugoslav Wars.
Jackson Stewart
>because the decline of White people would lead to deteriorating conditions for everyone. Depends on the extent. California is the future demographically. It is already close to majority non-white. And it is still the richest american state.
Ian Barnes
god you're so stupid
William Hall
It's a shithole. The wealth is all in the hands of a small oligarchy of jewish elites.
Robert Peterson
War is guaranteed only in state of anarchy. There is nothing to suggest the american government is weakening its grip on power in any way. South africa is a fine example of that. What exactly would the 5% of the population of SA do when it hold zero power and the monopoly on violence is in the hands of the black government? Saying america is declining somehow means little in this respect. The feds will still all powerful and whites will still be at the top of the social and economic ladder even if america was 90% nonwhite. Same as how the few whites in latin america are all at the top of the social hierarchy.
Jonathan Phillips
Sure, one can call it a shithole, but it is far away from a civil war.
Democrats rule it largely unopposed.
Oliver Hall
>whites will still be at the top of the social and economic ladder Reddit, you're not able to say that Whites are at the top of any ladder when White organizations are ruthlessly crushed and the system literally discriminates AGAINST White people in hiring and social programs. You are literally the oppressors according to your own ideology.
Justin Green
I hope you guys eventually destroy the Zulu. Or at least render them back to animal skins and spears.
Strange that personal attacks are your immediate go to. It shows how weak your argument really is. Whites have the wealth in the US. Not niggers or spics or chinks or poos or any other subhumans. That doesnt change when the country is minority white because whites re always the drivers of industry and productivity. In all of latin america no matter how few whites there are, they always hold the majority of the wealth. The same is true in south africa. Whites there are vastly better off than the niggers. The idea that whites are gonna rise up in some racial solidarity to wage war on the establishment and nonwhites is just cope. Theres nothing to suggest such a thing. Most whites in the US right now think the election was stolen and a fraud runs the government yet there are no revolts. Why? Because the state holds all the power of violence. If you want some fallout scenario to occur that requires a complete collapse of all central authority. And that wont create some white vs nonwhite war but a free for all where whites and nonwhites alike will take many different sides based on class culture and region as much as skin color.
Blake Gomez
I always thought we should take a proactive stance before it comes to that point. The Northwest Imperative seems like a good solution, but sadly, I think we're past the point of creating that organization we need.
Joseph Nelson
Racial change will not be enough, that much is clearl. California already shows that. Something like Weimar conditions would need to accur. Inflation, mass unemployment, politcal chaos etc.
Aaron Thomas
Some Oathkeeper bullshit I guess
Kayden Edwards
It is a small thing but as things continue to deteriorate, the ability of the police state to enforce its monopoly on violence will degrade. Then non-shithead actors can seize control over their own future.
>Whites have the wealth in the US Jews have disproportionate wealth. The only reason why Whites have any wealth at all is because we were hear first and the jews are still in the process of cementing their stranglehold on power. A few collaborating White capitalists will of course maintain their stolen wealth, but they are not organized and have no real say on the direction of the regime in comparison to the jews.
>Whites there are vastly better off than the niggers Whites in South Africa lack even a pretense of having political rights and the system openly discriminates against them.
>state holds all the power of violence. For now. But as things deteriorate, there is no way for the system to continue policing such a vast region.
>a free for all where whites and nonwhites alike will take many different sides based on class culture and region as much as skin color. Almost all civil conflicts in multi-ethnic states become race wars. You ought to try studying history, reddit bro.
Carter Green
>violent as fuck and is still is. >We had armed guards case in point controlled collapse if it were uncontrolled, there would not have been lights, water, or food, and the guards would have been the ones robbing and killing you
John Nelson
That's starting to happen now.
Nathan Parker
>Jews have disproportionate wealth. Yes jews bad but that doesn't mean whites have nothing user. Whites hold the majority of wealth everywhere they inhabit including south africa. If soem wignat revolt in south africa happened right now the majority of whites would side with the government. In america such a revolt would be lucky to get 15% of whites. Most are way too comfortable in their own personal lives to want to larp as mad max. America is declining but its not declining into chaos and anarchy. Thats the problem for your wishes. Its a slow decline western roman empire style. Its not a one day you wake up and the government no longer exists and all civil services suddenly ceased to exist. Thats a scenario that breed violence. America today is not a society on the verge of mass revolution and genocide. Thats what real history says. Not read siege larps.
