Will the u.s.a. continue to exist as we know it after the year 2100 a.d? How long before the u.s.a. collapses and people don't listen to the federal government anymore. I'm simply asking everyone else's opinion, otherwise all the cities will be like pic related. We have nukes so we should last way longer by default compared to the rest of the world. And when it does collapse federally, will there be a civil war which the government is unable to handle, inflation effects everyone, even government officials, what will they do when gasoline eventually costs $15 a gallon or when a loaf of bread costs $10 and a gallon of pure fresh water costs $8? Do you think people in the government will also try to forcibly change the government once Civil War occurs? The only way to me that is the most surefire way for Civil War to occur is when eventually inflation becomes very high, and this should happen regardless due to the average u.s. citizen's salary not keeping up with the national inflation. The people view the Supreme Court with approximately nearly 50% confidence in non bias non corrupt judgment, so I've read in an article, so what happens when over 90% of the populations doesn't view the Supreme Court as fair? What happens when the coastal sea levels rise and drown cities, what happens when the average American needs to spend fifteen dollars on gasoline and 8 dollars on bread to survive? What happens when we no longer build nuclear reactors due to legislation just as we aren't building any now, is this why the government is stocking up on bullets, to keep us in check when the inevitable happens? But the government officials themselves will be affected by inflation and chaos with a weak salary and corrupt headbody.
America's future and Civil War
>2100
lol I'd be surprised if this country lasts until 2050 and that's being generous
Nigger I’m sorry ain’t nobody on this god forsaken gun board gonna read all that Chinese gobbledygook
>How long before the u.s.a. collapses and people don't listen to the federal government anymore
Already happened, Americans are a dead nation
The US will cease to exist by 2030 at this rate. Either it will bumble its way into a foreign war that it loses catastrophically, or it will just straight up collapse into civil war over something like a disputed election.
>Will the u.s.a. continue to exist as we know it after the year 2100 a.d?
Try 2024.
If Trump pulls a Grover Cleveland shitlib establishment types will go full coup.
That's only if they can't successfully "fortify" all elections going forward.
But that doesn't matter that much either because on our current course on the shitlib eunuchs we are on our way to collapse.
With the constant rise of inflation, lack of nuclear energy, increasing incompetence and corruption of government officials, lack of cheap housing, steadily increasing population, how long do you think will the U.S.A. survive into the future? Until 2100 a.d. is the question, I personally believe the country will exist at 2100 a.d. but the infrastructure will be crippled, and people will rely more on the local/state government than the federal government, I think that this country can least until 2300 a.d. but after 2100 a.d. it'll be like the second half of rome.
>Will the u.s.a. continue to exist as we know it after the year 2100 a.d?
Why the fuck would anyone here care? Anyone old enough to figure out how to operate this site is going to be dead from old age by then, or for the rare person who might live that long, wishing they would die soon.
IMO the biggest issue to worry about in the event of a civil war is Operation Humongous Spergout destroying ammo production capacity in the country, and rendering even .22lr rather expensive to plink with for years to come. There are only 2 plants that produce smokeless powder in the entire country, and the rest of the world can't produce enough ammo to feed the US consumer market's insatiable appetite.
It's more of a guessing game of when it collapses, like guess what year
Here's my hot take.
The US will start a war with either Russia or China in this decade in an attempt to restore its credibility as a world power, similarly as Imperial Russia and Austro-Hungary went to war with each other in 1914 (both were empires in a state of rapid internal decay, with their diverse populations turning on each other and their government in a fever of growing revolutionary rage, their economies buckling from massive debt and unsustainable spending, their leadership castes almost totally out of touch with rest of society, fearful of the growing power of upstart nations, and their armies borderline useless), and the result of said war will be utterly catastrophic. It will become the final straw in a long list of failures and missteps starting in 2001 (arguably earlier) that result in the US finally dismembering itself in a bloody revolution and an bloodier civil war.
If you control this, and have nukes you will always be a world super power as long as people need to eat. There is nowhere else on Earth like the Mississippi river system. It Allows a truly staggering amount of land to produce food which can be easily transported down river and eventually to the gulf of Mexico and then to anywhere in the world.
I do see the Federal Government becoming increasingly austere except for military spending and infrastructure that is necessary to maintain the empire while the individual states and regional compacts handle all of the stuff that makes modern life possible and worthwhile. So basically more federalism, except your taxes won't go down because military spending will continue to expand even while other necessary programs are cut.
But when, what year do you consider the u.s.a to have fully collapsed and become a separate entity? What's your guess on the approximate year? Even the soldiers in the military get effected by inflation, what happens when the common citizen refuses to serve the military because they deem the money too little, will they start to draft people again as the military members dwindle?
This country gets closer and closer to collapse every day, it has to be intentional at this point.
it will collapse far before 2100
>I do see the Federal Government becoming increasingly austere except for military spending and infrastructure that is necessary to maintain the empire while the individual states and regional compacts handle all of the stuff that makes modern life possible and worthwhile. So basically more federalism, except your taxes won't go down because military spending will continue to expand even while other necessary programs are cut.
This was exactly the trap Germany fell into during the 1930s. After the Nazis seized power, they poured literally damn near every Reichsmark they had into rearmament at the expense of everything else, effectively ruining their own economy in the process. For a while, fancy accounting tricks, stealing from the Jews and other victims of the regime, party programs like KdF, and the seizure of Austria and Czechslovakia were able to present a facade of prosperity, Germany's standard of living started to drop precipitously. Finally in 1939, it reached a point where Germany would either have to go to war, not just any war, but the mother of all wars, and start conquering other nations and loot of them of everything of value to keep the scam going; or face economic collapse. Hitler, in one of the most fateful and terrible decisions of human history, a decision that would have grave and horrific consequences not just for the German nation, but the entire world, chose war.
>After the Nazis seized power, they poured literally damn near every Reichsmark they had into rearmament at the expense of everything else, effectively ruining their own economy in the process.
Ah yes, this is why the quality in life in Germany was unmatched with the rest of the world.
>Finally in 1939, it reached a point where Germany would either have to go to war, not just any war, but the mother of all wars, and start conquering other nations and loot of them of everything of value to keep the scam going
lol, Hitler should've done nothing and left Stalin take the entirety of western Europe.
>Germans had the highest standard of life in the Western world!
According to this propaganda poster you looked at
>Hitler should've let stalin take Europe
Much better that he chimped the fuck out and destroyed all the old empires creating a new global hegemony of the US and USSR and also handing half of Europe to the commies, absolutely zero diplomatic solutions that could've avoided having Europe fall to the commies nope only way was to wreck absolutely everything for everyone forever
I don't see the military facing such a huge manpower crunch that they need the draft again. As America becomes more impoverished, the military will be a more attractive option out of poverty. At the same time modern war needs fewer people. We will also see a continuation of the trend of PMCs doing more of the work.
Yes, this is the established historical consensus. Nationalism is a pyramid scheme and you have to keep expanding or face internal collapse. It's a ridiculous, infantile idea, that people sadly still cling to. Nazi Germany burned out so fast that we have a really complete record of its economic development. Workers standard of living declined during the Nazi regime; more hours, less pay, fewer rights. Their only options were to plunder their neighbors, turn back towards liberal democracy, or embrace socialism (which would eventually defeat them anyway). We got the worst timeline.
>Workers standard of living declined during the Nazi regime; more hours, less pay, fewer rights.
kek I hope this was a joke, Hitler brought the 8 hour workday to Europe and mandated that all factories have a break room and bathroom on site.
More hours? Sure, maybe during wartime but that's any country in a total war economy.
>the 95% jewish government of the soviet union would have accepted Hitlers diplomacy
>There is nowhere else on Earth like the Mississippi river system.
That's a really ridiculous tiny river
>implying I meant seeking a diplomatic solution with the soviets
Also Stalin fucking dabbed on the kikes, he was just about as antisemitic as Hitler was
After the war when he actually realized what the Jews were doing he did.
Hitler tried plenty of diplomatic solutions to Churchill, all were ignored, Churchill despised Germans and he was deep in bed with the Jews - he ignored diplomacy with Hitler even though he was well aware the threat communism posed
>Churchill ignored
Because by the time Churchill was in power the British and Germans had been at war for nearly eight months, why the fuck would Churchill suddenly decide to be best buddies with the retard who just gobbled up all of his neighbors against the protests of the British?
>*new government in Poland genocides germans in land previously held by germans*
>if you attack Poland it’s game on!
No, he had to keep up the lie that Germany were the big baddies, Hitler didn’t want war with Western Europe, it’s for this same reason they imprisoned Hess alone in a prison for 500 inmates until he “killed him self” the day before he was supposed to be released in like the fucking 80s or 90s
>demand Sudetenland
>oops we ate all of Czechoslovakia teehee :P
>demand Danzig
>look our Minister of Propaganda published a piece on how there are totally Polish death squads massacring the poor Germans! We definitely aren't using this as a bullshit excuse to take Poland too
>declare an offensive war against the Poles and also give half of their country to the Soviets because you want that sweet sweet Caucasian oil
You sound like a zoomer that has just watched Europa The Last Battle. Wake up, that is fiction
>Will the u.s.a. continue to exist as we know it after the year 2100 a.d? How long before the u.s.a. collapses and people don't listen to the federal government anymore. I'm simply asking everyone else's opinion, otherwise all the cities will be like pic related. We have nukes so we should last way longer by default compared to the rest of the world. And when it does collapse federally, will there be a civil war which the government is unable to handle, inflation effects everyone, even government officials, what will they do when gasoline eventually costs $15 a gallon or when a loaf of bread costs $10 and a gallon of pure fresh water costs $8? Do you think people in the government will also try to forcibly change the government once Civil War occurs? The only way to me that is the most surefire way for Civil War to occur is when eventually inflation becomes very high, and this should happen regardless due to the average u.s. citizen's salary not keeping up with the national inflation. The people view the Supreme Court with approximately nearly 50% confidence in non bias non corrupt judgment, so I've read in an article, so what happens when over 90% of the populations doesn't view the Supreme Court as fair? What happens when the coastal sea levels rise and drown cities, what happens when the average American needs to spend fifteen dollars on gasoline and 8 dollars on bread to survive? What happens when we no longer build nuclear reactors due to legislation just as we aren't building any now, is this why the government is stocking up on bullets, to keep us in check when the inevitable happens? But the government officials themselves will be affected by inflation and chaos with a weak salary and corrupt headbody.
Transnistria russian agitprot civil war post
So you two by chance believe in the Holocaust?
>until he “killed him self” the day before he was supposed to be released
Hess was serving a life sentence and was not slated to be released ever
Hello
This is a paid vatnik spamming civil war/USA collapse propaganda, its not weapons, its nothing to do with this board, its stale subversion spam scripted in Moscow and dumped here by OP. Why the fuck? What the fuck k? Muh US civil war would be lovely says Putin? You going to lap this bullshit up?
kill yourself, my man
There’s nothing for me in Argentina?
Six million is a touch too many but I don't doubt for a second that the guys who came into power by blaming everything on one specific group and got off on dehumanizing everyone they could weren't up to some naughty naughty things in occupied territory. I mean shit retards here practically worship that methed out retard Dirlewanger and all his merry band of rapists did was brutalize civilians
The Jews are completely innocent, ignore the composition of your own government and who’s interests they serve, the Nazis were evil.
It is very difficult arguing with zoomers. It is like discussing math with someone that doesn't even know the numbers. And they think everyone is like them. Look at this zoomer specimen in this very thread. Arguing about world history based on a fiction mockumentary. It doesn't get more ridiculous than this
>start losing argument
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE JEEEEEWWWWWWSSSSSSS
Sad!
I’ve unironically never watched Europa but I am a zoomer
Of course you are.
>put countless hours into a documentary to disseminate information
>haha guys it was just a joke I made everything up to troll you
ever heard of the danzig massacre dude? The poles acutally did kill thousands of German minorities in poland who spoke and were ethnically and previously nationally German but due to WW1 lines were redrawn to punish germany. And they wanted to be German again and were killed so the Germans invaded. In truth Hitler legitimately was not a war guy he hated it. Idk why we are not taught this in school it is true I guess politics replaces truth
Like I said, zoomers don't even know the basics. Anyone with a pedestrian, passing knowledge of 20th century history instantly recognizes Europa as a mockumentary after watching it for 10 minutes. But zoomers are so ignorant they think it is true. It is like arguing math with someone that doesn't even know the numbers
>Idk why we are not taught this in school it is true I guess politics replaces truth
Take a guess
>the germans invaded because of an event that had happened after their invasion and in response to their occupation
Did Hitler have a time machine?
Again, I’ve never watched Europa. I have no fucking idea how it’s structured.
What I can guess is that this was probably a relatively amateur project created by people who aren’t familiar with filmmaking, I’d be more concerned about discriminating information if I was in the directors shoes.
>the Bromberg massacre didn’t happen either
It happend before buddy
>Between May and August 1939, more than 15,000 Germans were killed.
>The Campaign in Poland in 1939 consisted of preventive military action by Germany against Poland from September 1 of 1939, in response to Poland's mobilisation, as well as the continuing multiple attacks on the ethnic German population in Poland rooted in the eastern provinces of Germany annexed by Poland after the end of the First World War. Slovakia also participated in the campaign from the first day, re-occuping contested areas that had been occupied by Poland after the Munich Agreement in 1938. The invasion of Poland provided the desired reason for England (3 Sept) and then France to declare war on Germany. By these actions they turned what should have been a local action into World War II.
Thats what I'm talking about, the Bromsberg Massacre happened THREE DAYS AFTER THE WAR. How do you start a war in response to an event that happens AFTER THE WAR STARTED
Shoo shoo zoomer, go watch some youtube or whatever else you zoomers do
This was supposed to be a thread where we talked about how long the current u.s.a government can last, not about national Germany and Poland and jews. I still say it'll be 2300
Danzig was before as I said 15k or more German minorities. You should also look at the books the college kids in Germany burned. It makes history make alot more since
Do you wanna cite specific events for 15k dead Germans or are you just gonna quote numbers from the propaganda ministry at me and get upset when I don't buy it
I cannot in any way perceive the US surviving until 2100. What will it stand for anyway? More endless kneeling to BLM? Nah this country will collapse way before then given how things are going.
In agricultural capacity, it's only competition is the Nile River Delta, but it's production is small by comparison.
the germans in propaganda said it was 58k-65k killed historians is it was likely in 10-20k range
The only people who deny the civil war at this point are those who acknowledge that they would lose
The Germans said that Bromsberg was 3-4k and then 54k in their propaganda, would you like to cite incidents of mass violence against Germans in Poland between the first and second world wars or are you gonna continue just saying numbers at me and expecting me to listen and believe
Yeah
It's honestly amazing how quickly it's circling now that it's almost hit the drain.
What about the Yangtze? The Congo? The fuckin Amazon River?
What are the implications for the US to last until 2900, what must be done for this country to last that long?
Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Sad. Go read a book.
The internet would have to cease existing overnight so that people are forced to actually interact with one another instead of forcing themselves into echo chambers and self-radicalizing so that the political landscape isn't the hyper-polarized hell that it currently is
That's your reply you hopeless retard?! That's it?
Get back on topic please I was enjoying it. I don't want to see people argue about Nazis. I want to see everyone's thoughts on the future of our nation and when the carnage starts. This is serious quit bickering like children.
Yes, you've displayed multiple times that you don't know what you're talking about. Go read a book.
I'm honestly at a point where I don't care about this country anymore. Any pride I had in this shithole died after the fetanyl floyd riots.
In the next couple decades I could see a return to 70s era political instability(terrorist bombings and political assassinations from domestic sources in first world countries being a thing) and in a century or so if American slides far enough from it's world hegemon position I could see it starting to break up. I doubt an actual all out civil war will start unless shit gets really shit out of nowhere, people aren't going to give up their comfy lives for vague ideas but they're much more likely to start fighting if living becomes a struggle and someone offers them a solution
You are the guy that said the fuckin meager Mississipi river was "like nothing" on Earth. Then you even linked superpower status to the "might" of the Mississipi. It doesn't get more much more retarded than this. We both know you've probably never read a single book in your entire life to say something so retarded. You are a zoomer, aren't you?
I kind of imagine it like this big solid farm truck going down a hill with a trailer full of stuff. Eventually it loses its ability to stop and the bumps start getting more severe. (We're here) Soon after the car starts beating itself to death, eventually important pieces start breaking off and the tire rolls down the kill. At the end the trailer has detached and the truck begins to flip. When it flips it's horrific, no survivors. At least no survivors statistically. Like less than 20% survive.
What is required for a country to sustain itself are many things, on the top of my head are.
A high amount of nuclear reactors to provide cheap efficient energy.
School
Food
Nuclear weapons
Police
Military
Medicine
Efficient form of government
Non corrupt government
We lack cheap clean energy due to a failing infrastructure and a lack of nuclear reactors, so that's one weak point, seeing as how reactors aren't being made anymore this won't end well.
Public schooling is horrible and university pricing is ever increasing which contributes to a weak point.
An understaffed police with a over expensive military is a weak point.
An inefficient medical care system is a weak point.
An inefficient and clearly corrupt government body is another weak point.
A lack of affordable housing, selling of land to foreign buyers and increase of renting is a weakpoint.
I give it roughly until 2150 until it collapses if things stay the same.
O look a nothing vatnik USA civil war thread fresh from moscow. Yawn
The only people who post this shit are paid in roubles and people with double digit IQs like (you)
1965 and Kennedy assassination was the deep state regime change
>Kennedy assassination
>O look a nothing vatnik USA civil war thread fresh from moscow
I remember reading the document on who did it, it was a combination of the Cia and Israel and certain people aligned with these two groups in the government. It was an official government file, you could tell who was clearly involved but no one named.
the russia shit is dumb I do not see us getting involved we have no reason to care or be there and if anything if we some how got involved it is cause the CIA spends billions pushing troon propaganda on eastern Eurobros.
I do not want Russia to take Ukraine but who cares retards shouldve actually got their shit together their not even in nato.
>a nothing vatnik USA civil war thread fresh from moscow
jack ruby (the guy who killed Oswald) was a israeli gun runner named Jacob Rubinstein so that would make since desu
yeah, right thanks for your view on the JFK assassination Moscow that's really really interesting. Did you know that the KGB has an entire department for 20 years working on nothing other than getting JFK conspiracy theories seeded into western media? The theme being get Americans to distrust their government. Still at it today as well, one minute oliver stone is making a JFK conspiracy flick the next minute an ass kissing biopic of putin.
Wtf I love the US government now. They're actually SUPPOSED to be trusted. Now I get it! Ahhhh. It's all so clear to me now. My irrational distrust for our loving leaders has poisoned my stinky poopoo mind and kept me from realizing that they're actually just trying to help me! And that *I* am the problem. The best thing that I can do is to pay more taxes and destroy my guns! And CNN is just trying to help me form correct views! And we need a woman president! And we're all racist even though we don't know it! I really appreciate your help Xir. I'll look into dilation to better help understand your plight. Together we fall, and separate we win! For a brighter future!
cope and seethe statuenigger
>get Americans to distrust their government
our own government does that well enough without needing any help, faggot
lmaoooo
You are the most shitty agent I've seen on this site in a long time, glownigger, literally.
There was plenty of mass murder of innocent people of German descent in WWII, but the "Danzig massacre" wasn't one of them.
If you want an actual example of one, there's NKVD Order No. 00439. Where the Soviets were in the process of systemically murdering over 40,000 Wolgadeutsche while they were negotiating the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the Credit Agreement of 1939. Hitler was aware of this and not only did nothing, he concluded an agreement with the Soviet Union that supplied them with both a substantial amount of credit and manufactured goods, in effect enabling Stalin's regime to continue committing these crimes. Hitler and the Nazi Party cared so little for the fate of the Wolgadeutsche that they did not even bother citing it as a justification for Operation Barbarossa two years later.
>For a while, fancy accounting tricks, stealing from the Jews and other victims of the regime,
Those "fancy accounting tricks" your refdering to were simply to keep spending hidden so that the allies didnt find out about military buildup until it was too late. As for shit taken from the undersirable, that came out to maybe 1 billion worth of reichsmarks, for scale the german economy at that time was in the range of 100 billion reichsmarks, and the state controlled the currency. In other words all that jew gold barely put a dent in the economy because a majority of all value came from the workers themselves, its also why they were able to build so much shit with such a seemingly low budget.
>Stalin fucking dabbed on the kikes
Only because he was a kike himself and knew damn well those other yids were out for his blood. He purged them preemptively before they revolutioned him too. He was the biggest fish and he intended to keel it that way.
>that is fiction
So those communist purges, the tens of millions of people murdered in cold blood.
Fiction?
What about that other "genocide" that happened? You think that was fiction too, no?
Luckily for me Ive been doing some reading, other losses, the gulag archipeligo, gruesome harvest. These, unfortunately for you, are NOT fiction, they are what can be reffered to as HISTORY books, accurate recounts of what ACTUALLY happened.
Your a goddamned decietful well posioning JEW.
Typical anti-german shill response.
How many times you gonna post that same picture Moishe? I'll be honest, that whole "hitler killed himself" meme is getting kinda stale, there isnt even any fucking proof that hes dead, for all intents and purposes he is MIA.
Jew.
>bugmen, negros, mestizos
Hmm, I wonder if there is a racial fac[BANNED]
>their notes and movement will fade and decay and be forgotten but the statue of Jefferson will remain eternal and resolute
Pottery
You sound like a neo-con running for a candidacy.
The issue is that there is no national identity. America has become a 3rd world nation filled with every flavor under the sun and the mongrel offspring thereof.
If america was 99% white (1% injun) then there would be no question of "how do we keep going?" it would simply happen as a matter of instinct.
The toxic cancer that is killing the US however is jews, as it has always been. The jews dragged us into war time and time again, the jews degenerated our culture and people with hypersexuality and liberalism. The jews opened the floodgates to the 3rd world letting tens of millions of asians, africans, hispanics, and whoever all come crashing in like a tidal wave. The jews in all the cabinets of government created clown world retarded policies to bury us in debt and take away any semblence of an "american dream" from the common person.
On our own, totally seperate from jews and ghe assorted 3rd world, are an unstoppable force capable of more than any of us will see in our lifetimes.
But that little poison slipped in by those uncanny "whites" ruins the whole recipe.
Remember lads, with jews you lose.
This.
It isnt russians forcing bullshit policies down my throat.
Idk but I started a new job and work with a first generation immigrant boomer (came here in the 60’s) and totally unprovoked he turned to me and said “I think this country is going to have a civil war soon”
He’s a Indian accountant in his early 60’s. Somehow the “civil war” narrative is in the mainstream which is not a good harbinger of a country’s future.
>Yes, this is the established historical consensus.
This, like scientific consensus, should be looked upon with suspicion because humans are not perfect and just because a bunch of people say something is a certain way does not mean they are all correct. Historical consensus after WWI was war of that scale would never happen again. The only one who got it right was Spengler who knew more terrible wars were to come as the west slid into an abyss of its own marking. This same logic trap can be seen with the “liberal hegemony” after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Communism finally died the slow death it was sentenced too following WWII and the US was left standing to bring “democracy” to the globe. 30 years later and we have failed at that task, miserably. The US is an unrecognizable husk of what it once was.
What truly is terrifying is we are going step by step with what Spengler predicted to an exacting degree. Expect racial flavored conflicts soon and an American Caesar. Imperium or bust at this point.
People seriously should research the US public school system. It's not standardized, it varies by state, by city and by district. You have some districts that are on par with elite private schools and some where the school is basically a slush fund for the principal
>everything that pops the bubble I live in is Russian propaganda
Yet you call others demoralized.
>we have a really complete record of its economic development
We don't, actually. We have a lot of shouting and hand-wringing, but there's little to no scholarly investigation of Nazi corporate jurisprudence and economics.
>We lack cheap clean energy due to a failing infrastructure and a lack of nuclear reactors
The current administration killed the energy sector that was built by the previous on its first fucking day. Federal environmental policy has a stranglehold on the energy sector and it’s been weaponized. This is on purpose, not incidental.
You're moving the goalpost a lot, dude. He's talking about the Danzig massacre, not Soviet massacre #4717189 that happened like 10 years before WW2 broke out. In fact, where the fuck did you pull the gulag archipelago from, your ass? You have to be a bot, because your response clearly doesn't reflect what user was saying
This, but maybe 2040 at most. America might balkanize into 3-4 different "nations" consisting of former states. The writing is on the wall in large print and maybe people are able to read it finally.
This, I'll be shocked if we even make it balls deep into the 2030s
>retards used sticky notes
>the adhesive on sticky notes is pitiful
>guaranteed they used them because they are uninventive and they were easy to use
These people have no spirit or soul. They have no creative wit about them, no drive to see things be constructively better. They just want to destroy. In their heads destruction is the only way to a better outcome, they don't even spare a single thought to building anything. Tolkien was right, evil cannot create, only corrupt
Fucking jannies