What are the implications of professional engineers forming labor unions? I think there is a misconception that white collar professionals will be adequately compensated by (((corporations))) if they work hard and try to get ahead in the rat race. However, I think that unionization would provide a higher standard living for everyone. First of all, a union would force clients to pay a minimum rate for engineering services. Also, with collective bargaining, a union could ensure that nobody works overtime without receiving compensation ever again. However, I think that the most compelling argument might simply be that the labor market today is a vastly different animal than it was a few decades ago. Times are changing, and, while professions that require licensure were once somewhat protected against deteriorating employment conditions, the modern industry professional is now just as exploitable as any blue-collar worker.
>What are the implications of professional engineers forming labor unions? You'll start seeing a lot of news articles about the shortage of engineers in the US and there'll be a dramatic increase in H-1B applications
Ayden Gutierrez
How do I start a union?
Luis Morales
I think that these unions are the only unions that are not controlled opposition.
Isaac Carter
You quit.
Dylan Cox
The catch is that a large percentage of engineers (at least in the United States) are defense contractors. Generally, you need a security clearance to work for these companies which basically excludes H1-B applicants entirely.
Owen Brown
A smart young engineer would go work for a smaller company with massive growth potential, help them grow, then negotiate higher pay or profit sharing once the business becomes successful. Build respectful relationships but also leverage other offers during compensation talks or year end evaluations. Why would you work for some large Corp, govt entity, or dinosaur when you're extremely valuable?
>Why would you work for some large Corp, govt entity, or dinosaur when you're extremely valuable? I think there are specific cases where you are essentially pigeonholed into working with some branch of the government out of necessity. A lot of large infrastructure projects within the domain of civil engineering (transportation is a big one) are completely dependent on taxpayer dollars.
Michael Hughes
Ud be comfortable, but there's no upside. A man needs growth
Eli Murphy
What kind of retard engineers are working hard right now? Anybody with a brain has been working from home for the last two years, doing at most an hour of work per day.
Oliver Nguyen
addepar?
Cooper Wilson
Engineer working at a steel mill only making 60,000cad/yr. I'm not PEng btw. But these salaries are atrocious, this was the best I could find.
Daniel Morgan
I guess my point is that with some sort of collective bargaining agreement, engineers working on large infrastructure projects (which are arguably more important than anything else in the realm of engineering) could be adequately compensated for their professional services. The process of construction bidding is essentially a race to the bottom, and engineers are the ones who pay the price.
James Morales
>What kind of retard engineers are working hard right now? The ones who actually believe that if they are a good boy and bend over backwards for management, then they will be rich. I hate how individualist the engineering mindset can be sometimes.
Tyler Hall
I don't see why I would work hard for a company that actively and openly hates me. I was told I'd be losing my job (yes, my WFH job) at the end of Jan because of vax mandates. When the date rolled around, they just extended it until the end of February. I say fuck them. There is no reason to ever do above the bare minimum. All we can do is wait out the end of civilisation and then maybe start working hard once we're actually creating something worthwhile.
Jason Price
>There is no reason to ever do above the bare minimum. This is kind of my point, and one of the reasons why I think that unionization is necessary. Nothing should get built without a fair price for professional services.
Dominic Sullivan
There's a difference between being able to do something good enough and being able to do it good.
Benjamin Jackson
But right now, there is no incentive for engineers working on public infrastructure to go above and beyond (regardless of talent). Canada has an infrastructure deficit of over $150 billion, but the salaries of engineers involved in public works remain stagnant.
Jaxson Mitchell
Do you actually think there are engineers out there doing good work for no money? I'm on about $104k after bonuses, and I get billed to my client for $280k. Long-term, I can probably expect the equivalent of about $180k in 10 years. It's decent money. Enterprise bargaining is only useful for the bottom-barrel Indian dipshits who took eight years to get a degree from an easy university. And frankly, I don't care about their substandard pay and working conditions, because I am directly competing with them for jobs. It's the same reason why I'm glad that my uni had a drop-out rate of over 50%. Their failure is a necessary step towards my sucess.
Joseph Williams
>$104k after bonuses Dude, that's like $75,000 USD...
