I get the public's distrust of pharmaceutical companies when it comes to medical advice but why are people distrustful...

true its both, to be fair this virus came out of left field and we were ill prepared, but i agree, the problem is the buearcracy is filled with fucking lawyers who make plans for shit they know nothing about, i would of hoped by this day in age that governemnt would have been filled with actual field specific professionals instead of two bit fibbers ffs, its about time, im goin to bed ttyl God bleds

>the government has defered to actual medical professionals to make the call on whats needed.
No, they haven't. Again, medical or scientific professionals are only allowed to explain science to them. They cannot comment on policy at all. In fact the majority of virologists I know are well aware vaccine mandates are likely not a good call. But you cannot actually say to the government that a mandate is a bad idea.
>Business has a right to refuse to employ you for a medical decision
Until very recently that was extremely illegal. This "right" of a business to refuse to employ someone who did not have a medical procedure done was unheard of. In fact it was not even legal to force an employee to disclose private medical information until very recently.
>cases go up
Cases are going up because the vaccine does not prevent transmission sufficiently well. Coronaviruses have always been very hard to stop with vaccines. It was always shocking to me people thought this one would be different.
>we're all fucked
Have a sense of proportion. Omicron is so mild it's hardly worth worrying about.

>why are people distrustful of the medical community itself (actual doctors)?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
theconversation.com/ignaz-semmelweis-the-doctor-who-discovered-the-disease-fighting-power-of-hand-washing-in-1847-135528

I know a few doctors just finishing residency / doing their first actual practice. The thing about them is that they are in crippling debt, extremely busy with their specific field of medecine, working insanity hours, and really really need to start paying off their student loans.

There is an ungodly amount of leverage against them because they desperately need the money and to practice to justify spending their whole 20s studying.

they wouldn't need to study and work so much if physicians hadn't created a market reserve for their profession by artificially reducing the supply of medics
mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

then again, he would not want to be a doctor anymore if it payed the same as a janitor would he?

total retard

Useful idiots. Bought and paid by either politicians or pharmas

Between med school indoctrination and their medical license being revoked if they do anything better than standard procedures, they have no autonomy.

You should look into how the medical industrial complex shut down competition via the FDA

>If we need a TEMPORARY mandate during an EMERGENCY period
nothing is more permanent than a temporary government measure you dumbass
have you forgotten about the patriot act?

>these "no mask fuck distancing" retards are costing the healthcare system
You are aware that the virus is airborne, yes? This means the masks do precisely nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Think of it as though the infected person is smoking. They are puffing the smoke cloud around them with every breath. Over time the smoke becomes more and more concentrated. This "spread through droplets" nonsense has been officially "DEBOONKED" by the CDC since the summer even though it was blatantly obvious months earlier. If the government gave a damn about us, we'd be having demands of high quality air filtration systems with HEPA filters and proper air circulation within closed spaces not masks.

>along with the "im vaccinated i can do whatever i want crowd"
Oh wow so you agree, the vaccine isn't effective? Why should someone be coerced into getting this *experimental* drug if it isn't effective? Especially since this *experimental* drug is a leaky vaccine by design and likely the very reason mutations are so abundant.

I agree Dr Robert Malone is being unfairly treated

>no one is forcing them
>temporary mandate
>print more money
I hope that if covid does mutate into super ebola aids that it kills you first

>no financial incentive
Doctors have a financial incentive to say what their bosses tell them to say.

>But you cannot actually say to the government that a mandate is a bad idea.
You can in private. But a random doctor doesnt have the legal right to enact policies.

>The vast majority of them litteraly have no financial incentive to lie, especially in socialist countries where they get taxed to hell and back.
taking away a bunch of their money gives them more of a financial incentive to lie tho

>But an employer has every right to enforce its own policy, theyre paying you.
Unfortunately in many places, employers do not have the right to enforce their own vaccine policies, but rather are forced by the state to enforce one

malpractice and doctors approached by marketers to push certain meds

>They cannot comment on policy at all
No one said anything about doctors helping form policy, that's irrelevant. Of course they can't, not in our current government structure. That's not the point however. If you don't think the bureaucracy implemented the medical community's exact guidance in their of course of action in handling a destabilizing global bio threat, then you literally believe the government is a circus, which i know they are bad, but not that bad.
>In fact the majority of virologists I know are well aware vaccine mandates are likely not a good call
That is also a lie. The virologists/medical community are the ones who pushed forward the notion and strongly advised for it, also a mandate has nothing to do with virology, so that point is moot. Why would the government implement a deeply polarizing unpreferable policy that will help disintegrate your economy for the favor of a measly few pharmaceutical giants? Why would they bet and potentially tank every other industry of financial resource for the sake of a potentially temporary threat, also from an economic standpoint its an absolutely horrific idea. So this must clearly be urgent advice from experts, because then our government is literally brain dead if it wasn't.
>This "right" of a business to refuse to employ someone who did not have a medical procedure done was unheard of.
I don't know where you live but that is trivial right now, that's not illegal, individuals pose a threat to other individuals, its protection policy, completely legal. This is a state of emergency, equivalent to national security threat (actually global). This not a regular period of function for constitution. During states of emergency, rights are always forfeited for the sake of handling intense disaster, especially when you are in the thick of it.

pt. 1

>Cases are going up because the vaccine does not prevent transmission sufficiently well.
The primary function of the vaccine is not to prevent transmission even though that is one of its features. Transmission is a problem with multiple variables. The main efficacy in using the vaccines is that it reduces the viral load and shortens the virulent period significantly meaning it reduces the severity of symptoms and how long you are sick for (this helps reduce and prevent drastically the number of people hospitalized and deaths.) Again this along with the vaccine helping you reduce your chances of getting infected in general and since it reduces your viral load it makes you less as infectious as someone who doesn't and helps reduce rate of transmission. The vaccine doesn't eradicate the virus in society, it helps maintain it. Which is very difficult with a virus like this that we've never seen before and don't fully understand yet.
>Omicron is so mild it's hardly worth worrying about.
yea for now, but you never know with aggressive mutation, the stupidity of people mingling with out caution, next thing you know we have a knew variant, bird flu erupts in china again , this time more aggressive and its good bye mass populations, i promise you if the government says again sorry we have to hibernate again due to new developments, people are gunna say fuck off and revolt, then open season for the virus, deaths of biblical proportions, the great plague returns, and many of us will say hello to the after life, those gone, and those left

this part 2

so you're saying the medical field is filled entirely with immoral cowards and liars, good take

>You are aware that the virus is airborne
The mask prevents droplets which is the vast majority of what causes the infection, while there are small airborne particles as well, but its droplets that are the chunk of the issue, but you don't believe the literature so i cant help you
>cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

btw do you mean this cdc?
>Oh wow so you agree, the vaccine isn't effective
refer here

why would being taxed and losing half your income incentivize you to lie for someone who wont make you any money while you are overrun to death with patients due to the pandemic? that's completely retarded, they make no money of this, only corrupt board members would, and good luck with that, perjury for something that will be potential a temporary issue and will be studied afterwards for the rest of history, good fucking luck, for doctors its useless, for board members its suicide

>The mask prevents droplets
Suppose a mask has caught some droplets. What happens to them next?

Because they would become unemployable if they don't comply?

>If you don't think the bureaucracy implemented the medical community's exact guidance in their of course of action in handling a destabilizing global bio threat
I know for a fact that they didnt because there are many virologists who were saying that there was no good reason for young and healthy people to have booster shots. Medically speaking it seemed to serve no purpose worth the hassle and so there wasnt much point in it beyond the old and already sick. Yet the government mandated it and in some countries you are now going to be fired if you don't have a booster.
The rest of this is frankly rambling and just a refusal to believe the government could be acting in it's own interests rather than in the interests of the people which is cute. I cannot stress enough that politicians do not give a flying fuck what scientists say. Scientists can inform them about science and nothing else, and politicians will go on and make decisions that benefit their own agendas. Hell will freeze over before that changes.
>omicron not being dangerous for now but could mutate in the future
Apply this logic to literally every commonly transmitted virus then. Eradicating covid is not possible at this stage and the social damage of these efforts to do so will be worse than the virus itself.
The rest of your post is almost childlike hysteria. Not an insult, but seriously listen to the doomsday level nonsense you're suggesting with no basis in reality at all.

>The vast majority of them litteraly have no financial incentive to lie, especially in socialist countries where they get taxed to hell and back.
Docs here get €40 per Covid shot, there's even a pediatrician near me who asks for €35 extra in cash, ripping off people who don't know you can get it for free.
Then there's a lot of shenanigans with plastic surgery, psychiatry and hormone therapy that are based in ideology and not medical necessity.

are you serious or joking

why would they become unemployable? on what grounds can they become fired? how many mafia films do you watch?

>i dont wanna believe they are good
thats you're own prerogative, i dont care what you think aobut shadows, i care about policy. we weren't talking about boosters, were talking about vaccine mandates which is not for boosters, at least where im from, its to be vaccinated at all, again which no one is being forced to do. whether boosters are necessary or not i cant speak on right now, but you are incorrect on your assessment of both medical professionals and governments cooperation both literally and logically
>Apply this logic to literally every commonly transmitted virus then
not even close to the same, the severity symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, the deaths, the infectiousness, it doesnt matter if 99 percent of people are fine from it, its about maintaining your healthcare system, the healthcare system will collapse even its just vulnerable people overwhelming it, especially in highly dense large populations, yes the end there was theatrics but completely possible, sometimes you need a little pathos as long as its accompanied by truth, anyway, i guess will agree to disagree

The basic core proposition of conservatism is belief in one's own innate superiority over others.

It's not very far of a jump from believing that "I am better then everyone else" to I am smarter then everyone else" to I am smarter then the doctors."

So whenever they get confronted by a situation that contradicts those beliefs, like all of those anti-vaxers dying of covid, they need to invoke a conspiracy theory to maintain their belief in their own innate superiority.

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Conservatism is more about conserving the status quo, like the right to not get injections. If that increases their risk of dying, so be it.

im actually more right leaning/conservative, but more or less centrist since i dont pledge allegiance, i dont really think its political stylings, even though parties manipulate whoevers available, even if they are completely mentally ill, but i think its more of a division of people with agendas and people without in reality, there not really mad about the virus there mad about alot of shit and this is an outlet, whatever, but science is non partisan, its facts, its openness to a variety of factors and reality, right or left truth seekers know this, i dont watch the news anymore, just propaganda configuration, cringe tier now, vast majority of people are moderates who act up when they're around fellow chimps, unfortunately that's exactly when the camera turns on, "showtime" as they say

im for the temporary mandate if the data suggests were headed towards collapse and are in a state of emergency but i also think if someone doesnt want to make a medical decision thats completely reasonable because even if you can gurantee 99.9 safety, thats stilll thousands of people among the billions who could die or suffer chronic adverse affects for the rest of their life if they are the unlucky ones, they should be compensated financially to a reasonable amount while the mandates still exist then afterwards revert, its not a big issue, the dollar has no value anymore due to insane printing anyways, inflation rates are completely artificial

id like to also add that trucker convoy, is a fringe number, the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated, you could appease them by paying the ones that dont want to to stay home, preventing them hopefully from ending up in the hospital which will plague tax dollars even more (this is if they cooperate). you know if it was possible people who deny themselves vaccination could be able to work but they should also forfeit their right to be treated for anything covid related, fair and square, easy fix

Absolute retardation: the post. What level of glue-huffing are you on? You mischaracterize conservatism and then you bring that mischaracterization onto an individualistic level, which doesn't make sense within conservatism itself. Non of what you said is right anywhere besides your warped mind.
Incidentally, both Biden and Harris were anti-vax when it was the "Trump-shot". Stop being a directionbrain that rationalizes why "the other side" is bad, stupid, etc.

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RR: retarded redditor

thats what i was thinking, trump was the reason the vaccine succeeded and promoted pretty regularly, if he enforeced mandates, tories wouldnt give a fuck, this is all a psy op

the masks stop the very likely modes of transmission which is respiratory fluids being exhaled, it is not AS effective against tiny aerosol particles but it is still effective, that's why they also promote distancing and avoiding indoor spaces, air ventilation and radiation also help neutralize the virus. your argument is, while someone is in war, why wear a bulletproof helmet and a bullet proof vest when my face is still exposed, your alternative is going to war with nothing, are you retarded, you can still die wearing a seatbelt user

doctors are paid to parrot the dogma taught to them by the Jewish pharmaceutical companies. they have no discernment or wisdom because the bureaucracy they consider to be their profession prohibits it. to trust them is no different from falling for the confidence tricks of the Jewish marketeers in advertising

O B S E S S E D

doctors are avatars for the medical industry. they are literal NPCs

infection never proven, shill

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trips of death

>have no financial incentive to lie
top kek nice one

In socialist conutries their pay is set by the state. And the amount of bureaucracy it has is absurd. You can't sue anyone. They are untouchable. If they fail the government loicense they can just reapply until they get it. The doctors don't care about the quality of care. Because its not the patients that evaluate their performance by paying them. They only care to get more money from the state while providing the minimum possible work. So no. they have an incentive to lie and say whatever gov daddy says. Because in if the patients payed them they would get 1/2 the pay and only the good doctors would be doctors.