Masturbation without pornography

I kown the kikes control pron but if its just masturbation thinking on a woman is that also bad?? (unironically I never saw this debated on Any Forums)

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Wank in shower
In worst case you will be way cleaner

Its also bad, just not as bad as porn

lovely pic btw

Nah its not that bad. Sometimes you really need to keep the rhythm below the belly. Otherwise some of us are gonna implode... ;) Too high T. levels

Sounds fine to me. In my late twenties I started watching less and less porn and eventually pretty much stopped altogether, just fapping with my imagination. Gives better orgasms and it feels good to not be a slave to the porn jew.
Now that I have a gf I barely ever fap at all. Shame to deposit my seed anywhere but inside her.

the reality is that youre probably much more fucked in the head than even you realize. its like the person whose kidneys are failing and they say "my back just hurts a little bit, maybe if i do some stretches". just the fact that you even possess a picture like in the op on your computer is evidence in itself that you are beyond recovery.

I think it depends on whether one is in a relationship or not. No issue if someone has a gf biut if someone is a virgin loser then it could only make it worse to find a girl.
I can manage to do little over a month with nofap and no gf then its driving me crazy so I know its not easy bro. Maybe its just a matter of finding the correct balance.

jacking off now and then is pretty essential if you can't have sex. just don't do it all day every day.

I know... but thanks anyway

I thought the same

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It makes me depressed because all the mental images I have are of girls I knew in 2011 or earlier. I can never go back.

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>just the fact that you even possess a picture like in the op on your computer is evidence in itself that you are beyond recovery.
I dont masturbate for anything they I have in my pc, so for me that's not the issue. The issue is that there is a girl that doesn't get out of my head and I keep jacking off

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still not good if you want to live a normal life you must leave all forms of degeneracy

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Yeah, I guess that I have kind of the same dilemma... so probably is better to just let it go

I appreciate the advice but can you do without it?? What is your personal experience?

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Im not sure mate, it sounds like everything that is not missionary will be considered wrong like in puritan America. I dont see anything wrong in enjoying your woman orgasming. If you care only about putting dick into a hole you could just as well have sex with a hole in a wall.

Nofap is a woman created meme promoted by the 'have sex' people.

You will never be a good mother.

pardon?

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>Nofap is a woman created meme promoted by the 'have sex' people.
Explain yourself please

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I do notice that by not wanking that I use my wife more, which inturns strengths our bond. She's happier with me that she doesn't do it to, now when she's horny, she isn't thinking of a shower, but how to occupy the kids so we can sneak off and fuck.

I also notice I'm less motivated after an orgasm. I guess a massive amount of dopamine will do that, makes anything else unbearable in comparison. So if you're single, not wanking will motivate you to improve yourself and your lifestyle, this is will improve your confidence and inturn attract mates.

Basically, no fap disconnects you from a feedback loop of self reliance and isolation.

>quit porn
>fap to imagination
>get motivated to have sex because the girls in my head are real
>try to get laid
>fail
>get back into porn before the frustration sends me into a heated, bloodthirsty rage, and working out with that extra energy just makes it worse, like i am a beast ripping prey apart
>cycle repeats

Its stupid, its male need, you have to do it or you are saying monkeys in zoo are under jewish porn kikery?

Men don't care so much that you masturbate as much as they care about you ruining every conversation with coom brained ideas. There are a lot of insecure, dissatisfied females on Any Forums promoting stupid shit.

>looking at porn is a male need
You belong in a zoo next to the other monkeys.

>improve yourself and your lifestyle, this is will improve your confidence and inturn attract mates.
I work out and have a good job but I injured myself and can't enjoy my hobbies anymore so I lost all my confidence anyway

Build up you a resistance to failure. I know a guy who was pretty chill, and he said he spent so many years rejected by his family and everyone else, that he either had to not care about what people thought or over do it to try and make people like him.

I'm 38 divorced with 2 kids over 6' and weigh less than 200lbs so I just go to tinder. At this age it's fish in a barrel.

i have never watched porn except two clips where i secretly recorded gfs giving me blowjobs, AMA

Try building your identity around something you can do. I ended up wasting thousands of dallors to become self employed in my trade. My joints at 30 can't handle physical stress in any manner (might be in a wheelchair in the next 10 years) so I figured I'd try coding. You have to play the hand your are dealt.

yeah I have similar experience, when Im not in a relationship fapping makes me feel like a flat tire. Sure once in a while I will do it anyway since otherwise after a while I cant focus on anything but in general I try to do it as rarely as possible.
Every time Im on nofap it makes me feel more confident and also makes me enjoy women more, even their voice. I like to be around them and talking with them, and not just those that I find attractive.
Man, I love women like you wouldn't believe.

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How ironic, it is coding that is currently wrecking my body. And drawing. Now sure how else to make money and be happy without relying on others.