then God left the faithful without the vital cornerstone of the faith for about 400 years
also you have no way of determining the correct canon of scripture, even if scripture itself told you the canon that would still beg the question of whether or not your version of scripture is genuine or a fraud
you need an extra-biblical authority - the Church - in order to affirm the canonicity and interpretation of scripture
Church comes before scripture, scripture is inferior to and contingent upon the Church
If sola scriptura is true
Camden Lopez
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Ian Cruz
Scripture =/= bible
Christian Lewis
Finnish =/= sapient
Charles Morris
>you need an extra-biblical authority - the Church - in order to affirm...
Wrong.
Apostle's writings were confirmed by supernatural signs and wonders so that the church new immediately that they were from God.
>" And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." Mark 16:17-20
Church 400 years later didn't have these signs and wonders any more as they were unnecessary - the authority being the the New Testament, not in "extra biblical" churchmen.
Peter knew the Paul's epistles were "scripture":
>" ...even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2Pet 3:15-16
Watch OP ignore all these verses.
Gavin Jackson
The apostles gave direct testimony and wrote letters.
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Mason Cooper
>scripture is inferior to and contingent upon the Church
Up to a certain degree. Mariolatry goes too far. We call it mariolatry because it defies the scriptures. Not to mention the crusades.
The catholic church lost that authority, and so we got a new church.
>Orthodoxy
Sure go ahead, whatever church you think interprets correctly.
Aaron Gomez
You evaded my argument. All you're doing is insisting that you have the correct canon of scripture and the correct interpretation. You have no way of proving it.
Logan Gomez
user you're Orthodox. You're supposed to be better than starting bait threads and insulting others in the name of God. I recommend getting off this thread (or removing it if Any Forums is a board that allows it) and talking to your priest or doing quiet prayer.
You aren't going to get anywhere doing polemics and arguments online.
God Bless.
Jason Morgan
>Mariolatry
Did you know that the Ark of the Covenant has statuettes ("graven images") of cherubim on it?
When the Old Testament faithful worshiped before the Ark of the Covenant, were they worshiping the Ark itself? Were they worshiping the cherubim? Or were they worshiping God?
>Sure go ahead, whatever church you think interprets correctly.
I don't think, I know. It's a matter of documented history. Stop talking shit and actually do your homework for once.
Hunter Bell
Don't tell me what to do, faggot.
Isaac Martin
Scripture existed even at the time of Jesus. To think that it did not exist for 400 years is retarded. Original canon was also much larger than the current one.
Carson Allen
>When the Old Testament faithful worshiped before the Ark of the Covenant, were they worshiping the Ark itself? Were they worshiping the cherubim? Or were they worshiping God?
Obviously God.
When you pray to Mary, do you pray to God or do you pray to Mary?
Xavier Martinez
>no way of determining the correct canon of scripture
Christians can't seem to be able to agree on it anyway other than on a few basic points. Plus the fact there's more than one religion renders it all null and void anyway, all of them say all the others are wrong. I believe the bible and related texts are purposefully vague so they can reel in more people, and also how you're expected to believe something without evidence but you'll be rewarded for it after you're dead just creates massive fomo in people
Daniel Jackson
lmfao
Here, I'll tell you what "grasping at straws" is and then you go ahead and tell me what the New Testament is, you pathetic dumbass: idioms.thefreedictionary.com
Jose Evans
It's always bothered me that the main example Christians give to others is that they love to poke holes in others' ideas about the Bible. This is different than seeing a problem and then correcting it. It's fishing for argument. It's an idol for a lot of Christians. They want to bash others over the head with their "rightness". There is no humility in their hearts that would even be open to correction themselves. It's dangerous.
Luis Lee
>ignores scriptures, as predicted
OP is a confirmed heretic
Jordan Baker
Prots btfo.
Blessed is our God, based Orthobro!
Angel Evans
It doesn't matter what answer I give because protestants like you make up your own reality. You never listen, you never learn, you only sperg out and make accusations.
>Christians can't seem to be able to agree
>Plus the fact there's more than one religion renders it all null and void anyway
lmfao, here's what you sound like dumbass:
>"PEOPLE DISAGREE THEREFORE THERE IS NO TRUTH HURR DURR"
Why are you so stupid? How many dozens of times did your whore mother drop you on your head as a child?
Aaron Peterson
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Your brother was right, you need to get in prayer on this.
Gabriel Nguyen
Dominic Barnes
>If sola scriptura is true...
It is. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not following it
Mark 7
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
>then God left the faithful without the vital cornerstone of the faith for about 400 years
The entire Bible was finished around 90 AD. You're retarded
>also you have no way of determining the correct canon of scripture
The Holy Ghost leads to all truth. Even you have to say that's valid, otherwise you're saying they choose them just because. It's obvious something like Thomas isn't scripture because it's shit
Judith 1:1 literally says Nebuchadnezzar is the king of Assyria
While King Nebuchadnezzar was ruling over the Assyrians from his capital city of Nineveh, King Arphaxad ruled over the Medes from his capital city of Ecbatana.
Justin Mitchell
>no arguments
ID = hid.