>I followed Ken Zucker's work on trans kids. Now, Zucker worked at a place called CAMH in Toronto. MAJOR mental health institution. And he was a mainline scientific researcher. Not a political type at all, really. A dedicated clinician and researcher. And he ran a gender dysphoria treatment clinic. Probably THE clinic. And he was the editor of the main journals where research on that sort of topic was published. >Zucker's treatment program for kids with gender dysphoria was quite straightforward. He observed as a consequence of his careful research that about 80-85% of kids who manifest extreme gender dysphoria would desist on their own by the age of 18 or 19. And so his hypothesis was: LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE! Because you do the least harm that way and most of them will settle into their bodies as they mature
>A male who has a more feminine temperament and who's also perhaps higher in openness - so has a more mutable identity, more creative - is going to be (especially if higher neuroticism) uncomfortable around puberty. Everyone's uncomfortable around puberty. We should make that straight. And so you just...leave the kids alone. >But what he also showed (and this is the killer fact as far as i'm concerned) is that a very large proportion of kids with gender dysphoria grow up and are homosexual. >What that certainly means is that the vast majority (it might be as high as 80% of the kids who are being convinced now that they inhabit the wrong bodies and are being surgically mutilated on in a permanent and terrible manner)... the overwhelming majority of them are gay.
>They cut Zucker off at the knees man. They threw him out of CAMH. He was the world's preeminent researcher in the field of gender dysphoria and like I said he wasn't a political guy, which is partly why they could go after him so easily. >So he sued the Toronto Star. He sued the University of Toronto Newspaper. And he sued CAMH. Hee won all three lawsuits. >Ruben: So then he has to spend most of his life suing places of journalism instead of doing the work that he wants to do. >Oh yeah. He was in hell, man. And he was seriously cancelled, right? And that's devastating for someone. It's...I would say it's equivalent...being canceled, in a serious sense, is roughly equivalent to having a near fatal illness. It is no bloody joke. youtu.be/75uuWtRrnJI?t=3789
gender ideology is based on the work of multiple pedophiles though
Juan Ward
so glad he went mask-off. so tired of people defending him as if he's not a right-wing anti-trans ideologue.
Kayden Hernandez
Sure hope you dont mean john money who famously tried to prove you could groom children into living as a gender they dont identify with and it ended in suicide with countless abuses taken by Money
Grayson Cruz
always has been
Jayden Long
money was anti-trans and wanted to prove trannies were a social construct and not a thing you are born as to promote conversion therapy. it seems a bit odd that pedophiles keep being on your side
Adam Young
why the fuck is Dave Rubin talking about gay parenting with the people who don't want him to be able to be a parent? how cucked can he be???
Ill let someone else go through the nitty gritty of his abuses because theres at least one user who has all that stuff saved as images; traumatizing kids into comparing themselves to a bug, becoming aggressively misogynistic or having a phobia of the color pink are stand outs i remember
But a good starting point is that zucker worked from the premise that trans people basically do not exist except as a "bad end" to gay people. Rather than even prove this he based all his clinic work on it as an a priori and treated gender nonconforming kids like they were trans regardless of their saying so or not.
So his numbers are sus as fuck, its like if i told you i cured 1000s of heterosexuals of their heterosexuality in my gayness clinic and then you found out they were all just a bunch of str8 acting masc bears. By ignoring the existence of trans kids, he finds a neat little loophole for pumping up his numbers explaining they dont exist. Fun trick.
I kind of used to half-defend him but yeah, the stuff in the past few months is totally indefensible.
Jacob Powell
Zucker is (was) a conversion therapist at University of Toronto who specialised in 'treating' gender nonconformity in youth. His patients were children whose parents brought to him because they worried that the children's gender nonconforming behaviour was evidence that they would grow up to be queer.
Zucker's treatment is what is called the 'reintegrative' model - he used conditioning methods to dissuade gender nonconformity in children to make the boys act like boys and the girls act like girls. This included preferences of toys and clothes, language use and roles in heuristic play (i.e. pretending to be a princess during playtime). A lot of his previous patients have described his methods as abusive.
The way this relates to trans stuff is that a study Zucker conducted claims (that JBP is citing) claims that his method causes 'desistance' in 80% of children - but they are deliberately conflating gender nonconformity in general with being gender dysphoria. Zucker's patients were not diagnosed with gender dysphoria under the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) which SPECIFICALLY requires symptoms pertaining to desire to have / be rid of primary or secondary sex characteristics. The children he 'treated' were selected by parents trying to cure their children of being nonconforming, not children suffering from gender dysphoria.
TLDR Zucker is a conversion therapist who 'cured' boys of being too girly and girls of being too boyish and the right cite him to claim that talking therapy can make people cis.
(Especially ironic when TERFs cite him since they pretend to be gender abolitionists and say "nobody is trans, it's okay to be a feminine man or a masculine woman" when Zucker treated gender nonconformity as a dysfunction)
>can someone explain what makes zucker wrong here? I believe there was one false claim alleged against Zucker, which is unfortunate, because he can now group all of his criticism and shittiness in the same category as the false claim.
>The patient, now a transgendered adult, was quoted anonymously suggesting that "Dr. Zucker had asked him to remove his shirt in front of other clinicians present, laughed when he complied, and then referred to him as a 'hairy little vermin.' "
It was later shown this interaction never occurred. (Weird claim to make up, too, lol.) As far as I know, the other claims against him are all probably true.
Nicholas Ross
>I believe there was one false claim alleged against Zucker, which is unfortunate, because he can now group all of his criticism and shittiness in the same category as the false claim. Yeah. It doesn't invalidate the rest of the document, though:
Yeah, for sure. None of the rest was refuted at all. I just wanted to provide the clarification since tons of media outlets and JBP are saying and will continue to say he was maligned and slandered due to the existence of the one false claim.
Liam Kelly
>I kind of used to half-defend him but yeah, the stuff in the past few months is totally indefensible. I only saw the Elliot Page tweet. What else has he done?
