Real talk- how many of you decided to become trans because society hates men? I know you have dysphoria...

Real talk- how many of you decided to become trans because society hates men? I know you have dysphoria, I know you suffer, but are those symptoms of brainwashing that wouldn't have occurred if you hadn't been psychologically manipulated?

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What's with cucks who make images like the OP pic? Can't you just recognize multiple groups of people can have issues without acting like someone worrying about things is an attack on you?

no

Being trans is nature over nuture then? I don't buy it. A moderate number of people are born trans, the rest are a product of bad environment.

I don't know if this was really what you were asking but thinking about how I might've only developed GD because of shit at like 5 and 6 really fucks with me sometimes. I was never super feminine but I had long hair and was mistaken for a girl a lot during that time, got bullied for the few feminine traits I did have, and *did* think girls got treated better than boys.

Who said this?
>A moderate number of people are born trans, the rest are a product of bad environment.
And what are you basing that on exactly?

nah I trooned because porn made me think sex isnt enjoyable for men and I was worthless anyway :)

>male fertility has dropped 60% in 40 years
>male testosterone is declining every year
let's hope these trends continue

yeah i kinda do think this might be some of the reason that I'm trans, and it's also what's scaring me from actually taking the plunge and buying HRT, as in "I don't wanna become a detranner"

Evidence. Now.

Precisely this then; your GD may be a symptom of psychological PTSD stemming from societal cues you were given as a child. I think we need to start talking about this openly, not to shame trans people, but so we can understand them better, and change the environment so that kids won't develop debilitating dysphoria in the future.

no im xis but with mtf dysphoria i hate it so much cant i just be a man

Your original comment didn't make sense, so I was steering the convo back to the op topic. Do you believe that being trans is nature over nuture?
>And what are you basing that on exactly?
That moderate amounts of people develop personality disorders of all stripes, including schizophrenia or antisocial. Being transgender in the truest sense strikes me more as a personality disorder than a biological issue.

>nah I trooned because porn made me think sex isnt enjoyable for men
Porn is media, media brainwashes young males into thinking there's something wrong with them based on them being male.

>Being transgender in the truest sense strikes me more as a personality disorder than a biological issue.
Again, why does it strike you more as that?

The thing I said there isn't controversial in the least.

Because it's a psychological condition predicated on abnormal yet irreversible thought patterns? That's pretty much what a personality disorder is, also that the PD has debilitating effects on quality of life, ability to maintain relationships, employment, mental health, and life stability.

oh don't worry you won't even detrans. you'll go full sunk cost fallacy and stay on hrt cause you're embarrassed and you put so much money and effort into this and it has to make you happy at some point and you lost everything already anyway and the love of your life would leave you. its great :)
porn isn't misandrist lmao its quite the opposite. its hurting men yes but entirely cause yall are fucking nasty coomer perverts

>hrt femboy
hmm not sure if i'd be feeling the same way as you, but cautiously noted

Then why do cis people develop gender dysphoria when something goes wrong with their endocrine system?

I transitioned because of dysphoria and euphoria, but I won't lie and say that life isn't also intrinsically better presenting and passing as female. I consider it a very large bonus to the alleviating of dysphoria and actualization of my euphoria, but not the main point. If women actually had harder lives I would still transition to be one.

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Porn isn't a good substitute for relationships, but people consume porn differently. Not everyone watches hardcore, fisting, eye gouging, biting, rapey porn.

incel psyop thread, stop responding

>no im xis but with mtf dysphoria i hate it so much cant i just be a man
user, that means you're transgender

What percentage of people with dysphoria have a noticable problem with their endocrine system?

Yes

>Then why do cis people develop gender dysphoria when something goes wrong with their endocrine system?
this board memed me (a straight cis guy) into taking estrogen and I started developing gender dysphoria as a result, for what it's worth. I guess that's one anecdote in favor of this argument

Not an incel. Life is easier as female.

Thanks for being honest. I've never heard a trans person include euphoria when describing their situation. Where does the euphoria come from? When does it occur for you?

I didn't watch any of that and it still made me deeply uncomfortable with the way my body functioned and me feel even more worthless than I did already anyway
gang shit. I'm bi tho, I think

This is what I'm hearing a lot lately about the trans movement- males who are suffering from finding an identity (totally normal occurrence btw), are welcomed in by trans men, and then given all sorts of careless advice about dosing with estrogen. Maybe this works for some idk, but it sounds like a perfect recipe for disaster, and not tailored to fit your needs, just a shot in the dark attempt at a cure.