How can we say transgender is a thing when xenogenders exist?
I don't... why is any of this other stuff a thing? How do we differentiate historical figures who wanted to be the other gender, from, say people who might want to be or feel they are birds, dogs, merepeople (even with thr disadvtanges), vampires, cats, or some fursona bullshit? All these things have their disadvantages and advantages, just like being male or female.
Then we consider how men and women really are similar, honestly; both genders have both sex hormones to varyijg degrees and one doesnt neef to conform to their gender/sex to be cisgender.
So what the fuck? I feel like theres no middle ground; No one outside /tttt/ seems to get it, yet the people that do understand seem to be trans.
My feelings and desires remain unexplained. I only know that I have many feelings in common with tranners right now, thus if transgender is a thing, I cant really say I'm not, to some degree or in some way, transwoman, but I cant tell if this isnt just some obsessive thinking thing or what. I keep forgetting what I know, too. I cant keep track of this information. Its so confusing I wish it would stop...
My brainrot has gotten so bad, it interferes with how I masturbate to porn...
Gavin Allen
You know what? This is stupid and pointless. I'm not "fluid" or whatever. I'm a man. I'm not a femboy or a transwoman. It wasnt obvious like it was for that tranner I... urghh
I need to stop making these barriers, but... I know I'll never be that cute anime girl or one of those Any Forums traps and I lived my whole life like this, yet I always wondered...
But I cant.
Kayden Jones
I've got a similar feeling. like sure I've always had these feelings, and I'm depressed and experience depression and dysphoria, but I'm left thinking 1. there are tons of normal people who live their lives with depression and just carry on. able to have relationships and all that 2. how can I say my feelings/desires are different than people like xenogenders and other groups who have a desire to be more like something else, but are able to ignore the feelings and live a normal life.
Hudson Jones
what do you mean by existing? of course trans and xeno genders exist, the only requirement is to identify as something other than your birth sex
Brayden Stewart
being human is unmistakable but the biological boundary of sex is nowhere near as conclusive as being a different species or not being an object, its a bad faith false equivalence to draw comparison between being a slightly different type of human with minor variance in one of your chromosomes and being a different species or a completely fictional entity. besides which imo trutrans people generally have different biological factors like hormonal profiles that could indicate further differences and its so minor at that point who really cares.
Evan Lee
to add onto this, I think what you are asking is whether or not being trans makes you a woman? honestly I think the answer is no it doesn't, not any more than a xenogender person is an attack helicopter. the difference is that with hrt and changing your presentation you can actually live a life as woman or something close enough to it
Cameron Miller
I think the truth and reality here is unfortunately kind of complex. Imagine a world where you could genuinely take some kind of gene therapy + drug + surgery cocktail that literally turned you into a werewolf-like being (or the ability to turn into a werewolf once every 30 days).
Obviously such a world is impossible, but it's not impossible to think something like it could be achieved 100+ years from now (your bone structure won't change but you could potentially revive vestigial tail-growing genes, grow hair all over your body, develop stronger muscles, maybe even sharper teeth and claws, and anything that can't be achieved with gene therapies could maybe be done with surgery).
I think if it were feasible and not horribly expensive, a lot of people would unironically do it and be happy with the decision and not regret it. I think this is a kind of uncomfortable reality that makes being trans a bit more nuanced than merely a neurological "mistake", even if that may potentially explain a large percentage of cases. I think the fact that it's pretty feasible to be prescribed, or just order, hormones, and to change the gendered aspects of your appearance may play a big role here. If you could change your race or even some species-dependent traits just as easily, I think a lot of people would do it.
Jonathan Gray
honestly its a bit of a brainlet normie cop out to insist you know what anyone is or who they are more than them, no one is more intimately acquainted with them than their own self and the psyche and soul of a properly self aware and introspective person is free to make such assessments. its pretty pointless to try and superimpose on people what they are or arent inherently as an entity based on superficial physical reasons like sure their body doesnt change biological sex does anyone even think it does? thats a stupid cop out argument but the point is they are saying who and what they are internally to themselves and living how they want and saying they cant do that based on genetic factors is inherently discriminating against them for those genetic factors
Matthew Morgan
am ( ) so if people like xenogenders or people who do bodymods have a desire to do these things, I gotta take their word for it. and either they don't do anything and live life normally, or they actually change their life and kinda ruin all sense of a normal life, making rash decisions for a short bit of happiness.
I wonder how my feelings are any different than theirs. I've never been one to make a rash decision that can last forever just over some struggles I face. but yet I have these desires. is there a way to monkmode or something where I can just get over my feelings and just live a normal life?
Gavin Stewart
I think you just have to not care so much about identity and simply decide what you want for yourself and your body. If someone wants to try to be a vampire, let them. If you want to try to be a woman, let yourself.
Camden Rodriguez
theres a fundamental difference between pretending to be a vampire which is a fictional concept and being a woman which is a real thing of your same species on marginally different from your current physical self and potentially far more similar to you psychologically. please dont encourage vampirism its unhealthy and potentially a crime.
Grayson Ward
>I gotta take their word for it what do you mean? take their word that they want to change their body or...? >I wonder how my feelings are any different than theirs dysphoria has a longer history than xenogenders do, trans people have been around for all of recorded human history. we know that it can't be cured with therapy or drugs and it might have a genetic component. It is a real thing, but it doesn't mean you have to transition if you don't want to, you just have to decide which will make you happier
Henry Turner
I guess. I just wanna feel happiness, but the dysphoria is causing depression --> not much happiness. idk what to do by take their word for it, I mean that if they say they are struggling I feel like I have to accept what they say since theres no way for me to know how they really feel. if there is a genetic component then I guess that would differentiate it. cause if it wasn't genetic, then it wouldn't seem too different from someone struggling from other types of desires
Bentley Reyes
>who OP here. user, I dont have an answer for the second question necessarily, but for that first one, living your life "just depressed" is 100% not a solution to anything ever at any time.
Yeah people CAN TECHNICALLY live like that, but its shit.
Jordan Nguyen
I spent a long time agonizing over this kind of thing and letting the rhetoric get to me before I started just trying to brush up from a layman's perspective on what's publicly available for the actual science and medicine, like personally I think we've overthought the whole thing into meaninglessness and conflated many different kinds of freedom in expression of self and identity which is probably making things very confusing from any angle
there is apparently a neurobiological basis for being transgender as a kind of neurological intersex developmental disorder/variation because sexual dimorphism is a thing and we are mammals, everything else beyond that including our traditional cishet gender roles emerge from that and are pretty much interpretive and entirely made up which is why they vary from culture to culture over history but still share their roots in the reproductive compatibility and interactions of the two sexes that we see emerge as the predominant binary
like really, that's it, there's two sexes we can identify (more phenotypes seem to emerge if you look at some machine learning models that probably very roughly correspond to the trans variations for m/f and whether they're primarily androphilic or gynephilic which sort of makes sense even if it's nothing at all concrete yet) but it's not neat boxes it's overlapping bell curves of associated traits that includes some weird edge cases and because we're silly monkeys we're making a big deal about it in the tribal screaming circle
at the end of the day if this kind of worry is what's got you repressing, I think you need to set aside any other assumptions and look at the evidence then like others have already said you kind of just need to make an informed and measured set decisions about whether you want or would be happier with what any aspect of transitioning can do in terms of alleviating dysphoria
Bentley Thomas
Just make hrt OTC and let trenders have their xeno's honestly. The most important thing to fight for is unrestricted access to hrt.
Kevin Rogers
You are a human, and your expression is limited by the human paradigmr. Because humans are sexual creatures it is possible for individuals to move on said axis, making the binary change even more justifiable. But being a dog or a different specie is outside of the human paradigme, we can not perseive reality as them, and such its something that we can only pretend to pursue but its only an individuals fantasy.
Cameron Garcia
OP again So, my mind is slightly clearer right now, so I have, I think, a more to-the-point question now: > it doesn't mean you have to transition if you don't want to, you just have to decide which will make you happier How the fuck do I know that? "If I dont want to"? I ts not consistently evident unless I put on womens clothes or something. I dont act fem around my family. I just like being treated as fem by men and women I date and other... tran.... Um...
See, I like pretending I'm a girl and Ive seen it before once. Ive had that feeling, but I dont act fem except under certain circumstances. I'm not flamboyant.
So I dont understand whats going in my head and I keep talking a step forward, and a step back.
my psych seems to think I have "my whole life" for this, too. I really hate that. I think I might have to switch therapists but that requires me to ask something like "hey I know you work with crossdressers and know about that, but d-do you have experience with people questioning their gender a-and all... that? Like m-me?"
He says its hard to talk about and I should only talk about it when I'm ready, but I'm just like do you really know whay your doing?...
Camden Gomez
I just dont get it! How couod it be so obvious to HER but not to ME? HOW have *I* had the experience of seeing myself as female like kinda almost vividly once nd enjoying it and everyone whose trand Ive spoken to says thats a... thing... but then my whole life I just lived as a male?
I dont GET IT WHY AM I QUESTIONING THIS? I SHOULD JUST BE LIVING MY LIFE AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT THIS BUT I HATE IT
Jason Stewart
go on hrt for a year or two and see how you feel.
Jackson Perry
I lived till 30 as a male before I stopped bullshitting myself and get on hrt, I still live as a man at almost 33 and things have been kind of weird and shitty sometimes but I'm doing a lot better than I was and I actually feel just passively okay or even good in my own body now
Samuel Torres
yea depressed life sucks. but I'm worried that transitioning will fuck me up and ruin my life to the point I might end it. and yea, I've lived my life as a male. I never outwardly displayed my feelings. like even if I were dissociating and almost imagining myself as a woman, no one would be able to tell cause I wouldnt act differently. also it's even more confusing for me, cause you said you like CD'ing but that hasn't been true for me, CDing makes me more dysphoric and even more aware of my male body.
