How do you guys date whilst stealth? (FTM) (esp casual hookups) Like what do you say to them...

How do you guys date whilst stealth? (FTM) (esp casual hookups) Like what do you say to them? How do you try and avoid rejection? When do you tell them, especially if it is a one night stand?
>hooked up with a friend recently, she didn't know I was trans until we were outside her house, she was totally chill tho.

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stupid hookup whore woman

Based.

Welcome to the male experience with casual hookups dumbass.

the male experience of figuring out when to tell someone… you have a vagina?

I just stay stealth and don't even tell them. They don't need to know I'm afab.

The trans male experience yeah. Explicitly not a cis female experience

then how the hell do you have sex with them? Fully clothed?

an experience I wish upon no male

Get bottom surgery. But being fully clothed is also an option.

How do you have sex while being fully clothed, user

>until we were outside her house
I think this is where you went wrong user, its good she was cool with it but you shouldve told her before you went to her house so it'd be easier for her to turn you down, if she turned you down outside her house then she can get scared that youre gonna stalk and/or hurt her.

If you're using dating apps just put it in your bio, it doesn't have to be the first thing on it but def just mention it. Irl is different but if the signs that your partner wants to fuck are all there tell them straight up (hopefully in a public place)

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Just be visibly queer. Not visibly trans, but visibly queer. If they're fine with you being queer, they're probably fine with you being trans.

This just isnt feasible. You can tell bottom surgery or not. I'm not embarrassed to disclose I am trans to someone I am have sex with because I am having SEX with them. Of course I want to be open about my body. I just dont want them having sex with me BECAUSE I'm trans, and I dont talk about it otherwise anyways. The problem is when you're hooking up with people things just flow: how do I maximise my chances/not turn them off whilst being honest and open at the right time (also minimising the possibility they will tell others)? How do I make this as non messy but as transparent as possible?

Yeah, that's fair. I was worrying that maybe she just found it difficult to turn me down, but when we got into it she was still really into me.

Putting that on dating apps is like publicly outing myself tho

Two problems:
1. How do I be visibly queer whilst still attracting (straight/male attracted) women? Surely I'd be trying to look gay/effeminate then if not trans? Why would I even do that, "looking" queer generally isn't considered attractive and is what gets people memed, plus I don't look queer so why would I go out of my way to look so?
2. How does one even go from looking like a dude to looking visibly queer. I am bamboozled as to why anyone would even do that whilst trying to attract women

You don't know any bi or pan people who give off clear queer vibes? It's often a matter of getting a little playful, flauting a few norms, or adopting counter culture aesthetics. Hair and make-up are easy tools for this, esp. because you can often do stuff with them that straight dudes would still engage in. Think of it as expressing confidence in masculinity more than anything else. I know some cis straight guys who paint all their nails black and all it does is exude confidence and make them seem less like CHUDs. If a girl you attract can't handle something so minor, it might be because she has too rigid a view of masculinity to accept you regardless.

I don't do hookups, only relationships, and it depends on what kind of environment I am. My ex gfs knew because they usually met me before transitioning (friendship->relationship). It became harder after going stealth. If it's another trans person (one ftm experience), it's easy, I say so whenever, before anything serious happens. With normies I'd probably tell them way before ANYTHING happened to see their reaction and avoid unpleasant situations. I usually start by bringing up the general LGBT topic, then trans shit. If it's safe and I really want to go for them I out myself. It's easier with women, men, even before transitioning, were harder to get.
So I think it depends on who you go after. In my opinion, if it's a hookup, tell them right away. It's the right thing to do and you'll avoid being disappointed later on.

Oh yeah if you're gonna bring it up, testing the waters first is a lot safer. If they say something outright transphobic or homophobic you can just get offended at that and leave. Decreases your chances of one day disappearing.

getting offended is effeminate. Just tell them they're dumb and brush them off like a man

Do you find this fulfilling?
Do you ever wish you could do hookups/ sex without the commitment?

Isn't this why trannies keep getting beaten up?

>stealth
>one night stands
sorry it's one or the other