Made the mistake of checking out Rowlings twitter today. She is sharing a handful of women who thought they were trans but ended up detransitioning and now regret it.
All of them went through months and months of therapy before being given hormones and eventual boob removal.
I know what the end goal is here, obviously, make people say "see all these kids are suffering because of the trans agenda" and these detrans attention whores make it their whole personality and grift to the right for all the attention. But like, what realistically could we do? Tell a trans person after months of therapy that they still can't transition because of these 5 women on twitter?
The detransers I know don't fucking blast it out on social media and generally accept they made a mistake and don't need to attack the trans community
and yes OP that is the goal, to ban HRT for all trannies period
Jose Green
>But like, what realistically could we do? Tell a trans person after months of therapy that they still can't transition because of these 5 women on twitter? That is what terfs want, yes. The other side of the equation is irrelevant to them because they don't think anyone at all should transition. What I wonder, though, is what ever happened to bodily autonomy? Why shouldn't adults be able to take HRT or get mastectomies for whatever reason they please?
Jaxson Parker
thank god white feminists don't give a shit about men because if it wasn't super stigmatized for men to be vocal about their feelings there would be at least one single male detransitioner trying to fuck it up for us
Daniel Miller
>Rape, of course, is a masculinist violation of bodily integrity. All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves. The transsexually constructed lesbian-feminist, having castrated himself, turns his whole body and behavior into a phallus that can rape in many ways, all the time. In this sense, he performs total rape, while also functioning totally against women's will to lesbian-feminism. I contend that the problem of transsexualism would best be served by morally mandating it out of existence. -Janice Raymond, "The Transsexual Empire", 1979
they dont think hrt should be allowed
Ryder Richardson
>Why shouldn't adults be able to take HRT or get mastectomies for whatever reason they please? And on that same note, why cant adults regret or not fully enjoy these mature decisions they made, heal through therapy if needed, and move the fuck on with their lives These detrans TERFs carry as much of an agenda as trans-righters do, but the solution is complete bodily autonomy for any and every adult. If you have the means and you have the money, who the hell is someone else to tell you what to do with your body? Like genuinely what is the point in caring about this shit anymore it doesnt make sense to me
Jonathan Garcia
I'm starting to get worried that this might be the beginning of the end for us anons The golden age of youngshits may be coming to an end
It is unironically all AFAB's isn't it?? No wonder most truscum are trans guys, they probably see more people around them getting meme'd into HRT and top surgery than trans girls do
Jonathan Richardson
I’ve tried to read this quote many times, and usually I’m able to read TERF stuff and at least understand the argument even if I think it’s flawed, but I still have no idea wtf she was talking about here. It sounds like word salad
Oliver Brooks
It's just proto-mumsnet schizoposting, it doesn't make any sense
Camden Turner
from what I understood > rape = violation of a body integrity > by definition transsexualism = rape, all the time > lesbian-feminism is against rape > therefore it should be disallowed
She's just using big words to make her sound smart but its pure play on logical stupidity
Gavin Reyes
Lol like honestly I genuinely try to understand it and my head just starts hurting
It proposes that all trans women only like women, and that the existence of a male who makes their body look feminine or like a woman’s is inherently wrong to women because they might enjoy having a feminine body? Even if a trans woman had agp, their body is just not fully female, which the whole point of terfism is that it’s not. So it’s not like they are taking a female body for themselves and violating it. It’s literally just feminization of a male body, and the trans woman doesn’t have to engage in lesbianism ever if they have sex with men. That has literally nothing to do with lesbian feminism. And even if she did have sex with women, the idea that someone is raping an entire group of people because of how they look is insane
Hudson Cooper
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and all but the fact that she refuses to shut the fuck up about it, ever, is really making her look bad. Why's she care about trannies so damn much?
Camden Allen
The idea that someone is raping *anyone* because of how they look is insane, let alone a whole group of people It's literally just as you describe; she believes that trans women possessing a female body = rape and therefore being transgender should be made basically illegal
The fact that she managed to get a bee in her bonnet about this in the fucking 1970's is kind of hilarious to me though These people have literally been seething for nearly 50 years and yet we're only gaining strength
Nolan Nguyen
in freudo-feminist theory, the phallus is very metaphorical and kooky. it's this symbol of masculinity (and all the things that come with masculinity like assertiveness) castration works with the metaphorical aspects of the phallus: it is the negation of anything masculine. when a sigma mogs a beta, we can say he castrates the beta so she's arguing that when transsexuals castrate themselves, and become "lesbian-feminists," in actuality they are asserting (masculine) themselves as the embodiment of a woman, instead of castrating themselves, i guess they become a phallus. and being this phallic entity within the body of a woman, it's as if the transsexual, as phallus, is penetrating the entire territory of woman it's pretty stupid, but there's something there about honfidence and asserting yourself as a woman n shit and i love the phrase total rape. in my perspective this user is wrong
Luis Rivera
Gain strength faster, I'm tired of transphobia. Hasn't the 2015-2022 range been the absolute rock bottom for trans hate in all of human history? Has any progress been made at all the past 6-7 years?
Jackson Robinson
It's a nice syllogism desu
if you really want to argue on that, it would be on semantics, and only autists do that
Thomas Cruz
Lmao is this a joke?
Build a time machine and ask the average person from 2005 what they think of trans rights
Owen Cook
I turned 18 in 2005. People didn't think positively about transpeople or anything, they just... didn't think about transpeople at all. They were like mennonites or Jehovah's Witnesses or something, groups everyone knew existed but only thought about every once in a while. The day in day out tranny hate started around ten years later.
Isaac Cox
Exactly, I was 13 in 2005 and didn't even know about trans people.
First time I was exposed to transsexualism was with this bitch. I remember I was speechless and didn't know what to think, I just thought she was mentally ill
This is dumb. She should just say “I don’t like it when men say they’re women” and move on. I still, like in every TERF argument, fail to see how the act of medical transition is harmful if a trans woman only ever called herself a man. The fact that they find that offensive feels spiteful and just anti-gnc above all else
Hudson Rogers
Thanks, the quote makes much more sense now.
Dylan Lee
The hate was more of a background noise but it was still there, kind of like it was for gay people before Stonewall
Us moving into the spotlight and ending up in the highly polarised situation that we're in now was an inevitable step in the process to social acceptance and legal protections
The amount of actual acceptance of trans people is far higher than it was 10 years ago and if you came out then your life would probably be harder than it is now, now we just also have to deal with the backlash to our acceptance movement
Levi Carter
yeah they hate anyone taking hrt or being gnc even if they call themselves men still
It's hard to give an accurate timeline and I'm not sure which way things will move in the next 10 years or so. What I am sure of is that in 25 years they will be much better. I see what we're going through as an accelerated version of the gay rights movement and it took them about 50 years to get from widespread oppression to widespread acceptance and legal protections in the West. Even though now we have a US president saying trans rights and actual acceptance among the general public isn't as bad as the media makes it seem so I am hopeful that we're on the right track.
i think most true radfems (people who are not just bigots) are ok with people who transition medically but do not consider themselves women or act as women it is very dumb about gnc. personally, i think cyberfeminism is the only way to incorporate trannies and gnc into feminism
Lucas Cox
yo that isn't true at all, they do it just as often as afabs
Zachary Torres
honestly, i think radfeminism is the opposite of penis envy. when radfems recognize that phalluses are everywhere and that they unconsciously recreate these masculine structures, they try to repress their penis envy resulting in a lot of wacky symptoms
Christopher Hernandez
>as the media makes it seem My understanding of trans acceptance is actually derived from spending all my time on Any Forums
I don't get that. Even my right wing family says that people who have medically transitioned (hormones, voice training, and SRS) should be seen and treated as women. It might not be the most generous viewpoint possible, but it's a lot more moderate than TERFs saying transwomen should never think of themselves as women or be treated as such ever.
