Do people become trans due to AGP or do people become AGP due to dysphoria?

cont. 3) There is no plausible mechanism by which wanting to be something, or being depressed about not being something, would cause you to develop sexual attraction to being this thing. Even the common belief that serious trauma can change your sexual orientation has little evidence. If things actually worked this way, people would get fetishes for being rich or being an astronaut all the time, or at least some kind of gay conversion therapy would work. On the other hand, the power of sexuality to create powerful attachments is well-known, with children as young as 4 getting crushes, teenagers creating very idealized images of their partners in their heads, and old people continuing to love each after all sexual attraction has evaporated. It's not a big stretch to say that a special sexuality could make you develop an attachment to being a woman too.

nice response. it's all really interesting. it's a shame society isn't mature to really talk about this in depth yet. There's a lot of poetry in it.

Thanks. And yeah, it's unfortunate how hard it is to talk about AGP without being either attacked by the woke people or weaponized against trans people by conservatives/TERFs. Sometimes it seems like both sides agree that AGPs are dirty perverts, it's just that one side things that trans women are AGP and the other thinks that AGPs are a separate group. I'm hoping that eventually AGP will get destigmatized and we'll get a future in which both trans people and Blanchard's theories are accepted. In the meantime, I'll keep discussing the topic in less popular places like here and Tail's group, and I'll keep quiet in mainstream forums like the default subreddits.

I do think there is more nuance to what we call agp than is often made out, that Blanchard's theories are incomplete, and that things are changing and becoming more complicated post-internet anyway. I don't always think of it in these terms, but it is a shame we're so disgusted by sexuality that needn't be harmful and indeed has human beauty. What is Tail's group?

also, I think it is important to remember part of the answer is to tell stories, create things. It seems like the right time.

>It's not a big stretch to say that a special sexuality could make you develop an attachment to being a woman too
Agreed. Incidentally, I wonder why people always deny porn/fetishes having any tangible effect on one's ideal self. If an AGP spends years, or even decades, pumping dopamine into their brains via fantasies in which they are women, it'd be more surprising if they still maintained a string male identity after all that. Furries and otherkin types would prefer not to be human, but nobody ever attributes that to being born in the wrong body or having some sort of inborn affinity towards that stuff

Tail is the nickname of the amateur AGP researcher who writes surveyanon.wordpress.com/ and runs a Discord discussion group about sexology research. If you want to get invited, you can simply send him a message at the Reddit username "tailcalled", but be aware that there's a certain level of nerdiness and statistical literacy expected on his server.

Agreed, I find it inconsistent how people will readily admit that "normal" sexual orientations can have huge effects on your life but then deny the same for more unusual sexualities. Nobody is surprised when a gay guy moves to a gay neighborhood, when a straight guy's self-image is affected a lot by how women react to him, when he goes on a self-improvement journey to improve his dating odds, when he puts pretty women on a pedestal, or when he marries a woman despite having much more in common with a male friend. But for anything other than straight/bi/gay, there's the opposite expectation that your sexuality will stay in its neat little box and not affect the rest of your life.

Gotta go catch a train now, see you some other day!

This does nothing to explain non-dysphoric AGP's who don't want to transition

Where do I fit into your autistic classification then? Why do you neo-Blanchardists always neglect the cis/non-trans AGP's when even Blanchard didn't, he said that trans and non-trans people could have an AGP sexual orientation and that makes more sense imo.

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I actually did become trans due to AGP because the AGP came first. When I was 19, I finally had the privacy to crossdress in peace like I had always wanted to. I didn’t know it would become a full-time thing, I just liked it because it made me coom so hard. I trooned out less than 1 year later because the dysphoria had finally been starting to hit me. I’m not the classic AGP stereotype of a 43 year old dad transitioning as a midlife crisis, but I do think it’s weird that for all of high school, I was not trans, I was not dysphoric, I was not repressing and I was not even gnc. I learned makeup before I even started HRT because it was part of my fetish. Idk why other trannies don’t even bother with that, it makes a massive difference in your passability.

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honestly i developed all of that agp shit after i already started hormones. i was literally hsts to a T and after talking to more trannies and stuff i literally developed agp. im an anomaly atp

AGPs become trans due to overindulgence, HSTS become trans due to homophobia