Reminder that most hons are not actually trans, they think they are but they aren't. Basically all willingly bearded no-effort-at-all, all uwu-I'm-a-softboi tumblr ftms, all anti-hrt, and ESPECIALLY all you-don't-need-dysphoria-to-be-trans hons think that being trans is a cool anti-society statement and that we just do it to fuck with the system. They DON'T have dysphoria, they DON'T belong to the same group as (You) and they DON'T deserve your respect.
Us and them are not the same.
This is also the view A LOT of cis people have which explains their blind "support" ("No, you totally pass girl!! I would never have guessed you weren't cis!!"), they're not supporting us or recognizing our gender identities, they're supporting the imagined rebellion against modern gender-society, which also explains why it's mostly leftists who "support" us in this way. They don't ACTUALLY believe in our gender identities at all, or even the concept of your gender identity being immalleable. TRUE cis allies are exceedingly rare in the real world, most cis people care less about their trans neighbour than some random animal they saw abused online on the other side of the planet.
There are of course exceptions, but they are rare and not to be relied on.
Reminder that most hons are not actually trans, they think they are but they aren't...
All True
Good job user
Thank you user
Yup you didn't say anything wrong here
Pretty rare for Any Forums
Are you making fun of me?
totally agree with everything you said but this is also true of all MTF boymoders who choose not to present female
No no I was just saying it's rare that someone posts something on Any Forums with nothing wrong with it
I'm saying you're pretty based user
How so?
>they DON'T belong to the same group as (You)
did this make me trans?
do i have to cut off my dick?
they dont live as female and most people just see them as cis men so they still have gender dysphoria but its not the same as being transgender MTF
Interesting, I suppose they are different from MTFs who have actually socially transitioned, however considering for what seems to be a lot of them it is not an unwillingness to live according to their gender identity that stops them, but rather unaccepting social conditions or the fear of being ostracized, something I personally would say is almost at the complete opposite side of the spectrum compared to the hons I spoke about in the OP. In other words, the social-activism-"trans" people claim they are women (or men in the case of FTMs) despite being clearly male presenting and lacking signs of actually being trans, whereas boymoders on the other hand present male more out of a perceived fear for personal safety, whether that be physical or social safefty. I agree that they are not the same as transitioned and I suppose integrated transgendered MTFs, but I would still argue they are definitely in the "legit-transness" camp.
yea i understand and except those as trans
Tribalism and gatekeeping.
Imagine wanting to belong to a group so badly that one cares whatever else is in it.
>t.
idk, it seems to me like boymoders just have less dysphoria than normal trans people. i think we all recognize that society doesn't accept us, but boymoders have the privilege of being able to function in a male social role. some of us just can't. theyre more valid than hons, but when boymoders persist for 1, 2... years, it makes you wonder how much they really care about it
If you don’t pass, someone will always move the goalposts to exclude you. It’s why I don’t trust trans people. If you’re prettier than me you’ll eventually throw me under the bus even if I tried my best
Perhaps they don't have less dysphoria but more social anxiety than you do? Maybe there is a struggle of balancing between not causing a social uproar and not suffering from dysphoria where the fear of social consequences simply weighs heavier in their minds. It wouldn't be surprising, especially considering the amount of fear mongering, "if you don't pass you deserve worse than death", and obsession over the most minor details supposedly stopping you from passing (we've all seen the "Does your wrist circumference pass?" threads and their equals) that permeates this board, my own post not excluded. I wonder how many boymoders would actually boymode for extended periods of time if they hadn't been exposed to this board and its culture.
An interesting parallel to draw here is also wondering how many of the trenders that would have been "trans" if they hadn't been exposed to the concept of being trans, which they misinterpret as some form of activism. I would think that they lack the internal source of being trans, and if they lived somewhere where it wasn't a thing (not impossible or frowned upon, just something that had to come from inside their own person) they would just keep living as a cis person.
>Reminder that most hons are not actually trans, they think they are but they aren't.
This. We need gatekeeping for hons. We need to deny association with them. We need to block their access to trans-spaces. We need to stop media making it look like they're the same as us.
Boymoding should serve the function to help early transitioners get to a more comfortable place before they start girlmoding. Trenders who claim to boymode for years are in truth hons.
hi Amy :3
What’s the difference between a boymoder who boymoder and can’t pass and a hon? What’s the difference between the hon and the passing woman besides genetic looks?
This isn’t healthy. You’ll be killing trans women who were born unlucky and can’t pass
I used to be a really good "cis" ally
Well, shit
In hindsight I regret using the term hons in the OP, the people I'm talking about aren't legitimate trans people who through genetic misfortune don't pass, because I have nothing but sympathy for people like that. Those who try and don't succeed deserve empathy, not hatred. What I actually meant by hons are the trenders who don't try, don't succeed, and are oblivious to their failure, or even worse think that it doesn't matter if they failed because they should be accepted anyways. Like the the Amy-picture in this thread.
Once again I think boymoders are different, it's not that they are oblivious to their own failings, it's that they are hyperaware of them and instead inhibit themselves. In truth not all boymoders can pass, it's simply just how it works, but I have a hard time imagining that the trenders who think being trans is a social movement and not a health issue would ever really boymode, because why would they?
It's also interesting to me how boymode-oriented this board has become, in a thread that I made to discuss publically trans-presenting people who in actuality aren't trans we have instead discussed boymoding (to me the opposite end of the spectrum, like I said before) in relative length.
Also I want to add that there are bound to be older legitimate trans women who due to the effects of years of testosterone simply can't truly pass, and couldn't realistically transition earlier in life, and as long as these people are self aware enough I think they deserve acceptance and kindness, at least from us. You can't choose what you look like, only how you present yourself.
If you can't pass you're a manmoder or a honmoder. Neither are valid.
Based opinion
Thank you. You seem kind. I have a really big skeleton and i had very early MPB, so I have to manmode until I can do a lot to be able to actually socially transition. I would feel really bad trying to insist to someone that I’m a woman now so only close friends know I have dysphoria. I do my best to not be outted, but I think my dysphoria is more severe than a lot of people’s on this site