Why do we transwomen compare ourselves to ciswomen? statistically speaking...

why do we transwomen compare ourselves to ciswomen? statistically speaking, a majority of us are not going to look like the average female. we would be so much happier if we lowered our standards of beauty

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how do you do this when you're constantly surrounded by cis-women who mog you?

t. gigahon

Because if you can't blend in, what's the point?

With perfectionism there is a price, but also a benefit
perfectionists achieve better results on average due to them pathologizing the importance of those results
so basically better results more mental illness
A good litmus test for mental illness in trannies is ironically how much better they look after transitioning than before, the more of an improvement the more likely they had to constantly beat up and hate themselves enough to have to obsessive motivation to make that improvement

if a one legged person ran a race, no one would expect them to finish first place. it would be super impressive that they ran the race at all. you should judge yourself from where you started and how much progress you've made from that starting point.

i dont think it makes me feel any better that the odds were against me

and yet I bet you don't support this same line of argument from a racial or economic perspective even though the analogy would work better there

um maybe I do? idk, lets not derail the thread haha

you have put way more effort into something that others got for free. that should make you feel proud

i think mine are higher than anyones but i know i can't hold myself to that, or anyone ill ever meet, i have physical problems that will never be fixed without surgeries worse than srs or ffs (spine stuff)

i try to bring out the beauty i have always seen in myself, and i try to uplift the people around me with kindness and positivity to bring out theirs

and drowning infinite love for the closest two~

i hope she doesn't kill me tomorrow or something ~

True, but we've been brought up internalizing the standards that are applied to women and then applying them to ourselves, and that's not something that is easy to change.

I’M UGLY AND I’M PROUD

You’re reinforcing cisnormative beauty standards by suggesting that the only way to change our beauty standards is to lower them

Its okay to strive to be your best but it makes me so sad when I see my sisters frustrated over things they cannot change. Things like their height, shoulder widths, etc. You can still feel beautiful with those things

I understand what you're saying, and do think we could maybe see ourselves differently in the right culture. After all plenty of indigenous gender variant groups don't seem to dislike their bodies as much as we do. The thing to be asked here, I suppose, is whether we can supplant the standards of beauty we've been brought up to internalize our entire lives. I feel like the answer is yes, to some extent. I've experienced shifts in self-perception that matched closely with feeling accepted or rejected as myself. How far does this ability extend, though? Could we make peace with looking like normal men in every way? Maybe not, and if not, then maybe we can't completely accept some of our clocky traits either. Doesn't one follow from the other?

Then there are more scientific questions. While what is considered beautiful varied between cultures traits that are seen as sick as nearly universally considered unattractive. Maybe not passing badly enough triggers a similar reaction in many of us. "This person is unwell". So perhaps part of our dislike for ourselves is wired into more more deeply than we'd care to admit. Then there's the possibility that indigenous transgender groups are in some way different from modern Western ones, suffused with xenoestrogens..

So a lot could be done to accept ourselves, and should be done, but our foe might be human nature. Not the first time we'll challenge it, nor the last, but it's something to keep in mind.

while eventually it would be nice if there were no beauty standards, that is a tougher battle to fight than simply lowering them. maybe one day we can live in that world

It's not supposed to be the primary goal is to be the same as a female? Why would you want to even bother if you aren't going to look like a female or have a female body?

I think I look more like a female than a male to begin with?

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We must find the beauty in ourselves, to whatever degree that's possible. I'll agree with that.

That's not how gender dysphoria works lol if I could just opt out of feeling like I need to look more feminine and less masculine then of course I'd have done that and just been a gender non-conforming guy, but I tried that and I still couldn't bear it, took me reaching breaking point to resort to transitioning knowing how bad I'd look

>the more of an improvement the more likely they had to constantly beat up and hate themselves enough to have to obsessive motivation to make that improvement
this falls apart once you consider the genetics factor, there are trips who started passing 3 months into HRT without trying and I'm nearly 7 years into HRT and if anything look worse than I did 3 years ago because I'm ageing like shite

well, it isn't a definitive rule, just a general trend of averages.
someone with average genes can put enough effort in due to their BDD to edge over a line they wouldn't have otherwise sometimes