As someone who read and finished bleach recently with all the hype of the anime returning and enjoyed it despite its flaws, I don't understand the amount of slander I have seen it receiving on the internet. All the common complaints I have seen >It's repetative There is like one half of the arrancar arc thats similar to SS. Many popular series have repetative structure, One Piece being the prime example >Too many characters, some are wasted So does many big shounen, some characters are bound to be wasted with big enough cast. Chad and Tatsuki were the only one that I personally felt were done dirty considering they were present since the beginning. >Shit ending Yeah it was rushed and ended up being disappointing, but it didn't ruin the whole series like SnK. Kubo has said he is adding things in the anime. >Sales dropped Like many other long running shounen
With the enjoyment I got out of the series, the great art, character designs, paneling, SOL comedy, characters and good to decent story for the most part I don't see this series being below a 7/10.
>Says that while reading a Japanese comic centred on their teenage demographic
>I bailed out during the Bount Arc Skip that shit. It's not canon.
>As someone who read and finished bleach recently
Bount made me quit the anime as a kid. Only found out years later it wasn't canon. Read the manga for the first time earlier this year and really enjoyed it. It's style over substance for sure, but it has a ton of style.
I am not following the storytime, had free time and finished it in a week.
Some anons in the previous storytime thread were arguing about whether Chad should've gotten full body armor or not. I'm just gonna throw out it would've been neat if he got more arms and became an Asura.
It was terrible to follow it weekly because the pacing is atrocious.
You are literally saying >Yeah this is bad but other battle shonen did/do it too! I like bleach but that's a pretty poor defense
I never said it was some flawless masterpiece. Bleach is just entertaining to read throughout unlike many other shounen.
Bleach always felt like a shonen for a seinen audience
There were some filler fights in the Arrancar arc but other than than I didn't find it an issue during binge reading.
SS arc was as close to perfection as shounen can get, but everything after it was a downgrade.
The biggest issue to me was that there was little reason for me to get attached to any of the characters going further. There's a lack of drama, and everything boils down to fighting. SS arc was essentially a soap opera which made it interesting beyond just shikai and bankai releases and battles. It was an intimate setting, but later arcs boil down to being just tournaments where characters, their backgrounds and relationships bear little to no weight and importance.
>all other of these shounen did it too!! Yeah, a lot of shounen after literally copied these elements from bleach, it's why it's listed as one of the big 3, because a lot of how it was formatted became a mainstay for most shounen.
>There is like one half of the arrancar arc thats similar to SS. this is a lie and you know it. Every single arc has the following >Ichigo loses his powers >has to train with some new group of mystery niggers to get new powers >gets one of his friends taken away and has to get them back >has to fight a group of jobbers to get them back >the bad guy is someone everyone thought was originally a good guy >Ichigo jobs and loses his powers AGAIN >gets even more new powers via asspull >one shots the bad guy and everything goes back to normal >the end this is how literally every single fucking arc, even the fullbring arc which bleachfags like to cope with being different, plays out
>Komamura, Tousen, Hisagi >Gin and Rangiku >Ulquiorra and Orihime >Mayuri and Szayel >Rukia and AA >Nnoitora and Nel >Ulquiorra and Ichigo >Grimmjow and Ichigo >Aizen and Urahara >Unohana and Kenpachi >Turn Back the Pendulum >Ishinn, Ryuuken, Masaki >Ichigo, white and OMZ >Jugram and Bazz B Off the top of my head, all of these characters have background and relationships filled with drama that are explored through battles.
>Chad and Tatsuki were the only one that I personally felt were done dirty considering they were present since the beginning. literally all of Ichigo's friends were completely useless throughout the entire series. Yes. even Rukia. Nothing she did had a lasting impact on the greater narrative. >Yeah it was rushed and ended up being disappointing, but it didn't ruin the whole series like SnK. You can't ruin something that was always shit. Regardless, the ending isn't even remotely consistent with any of the themes established in the series. Bleach is apparently supposed to be about coping with loss but nobody lost anything in the end. >Like many other long running shounen Bleach literally lost 90% of its readership within the span of a few months. That's an unprecedented drop in readership.
>SS arc was as close to perfection as shounen can get >all of the supporting cast are useless and the MC just mindlessly steamrolls every challenge with asspulls >the bad guys are hilariously inept despite having every possible advantage >no lasting growth or losses >perfection unironically neck yourself. Shit eaters like you are why trash like the Bakugo revival happens.
>>Ichigo loses his powers Doesn't happen in the arrancar arc or TYBW(Broken bankai doesn't mean powers gone) >has to train with some new group of mystery niggers to get new powers Like many shounen. >>gets one of his friends taken away and has to get them back Nobody was taken in fullbring or TYBW. Uryu went in as a double agent and was going to kill YHwach. >the bad guy is someone everyone thought was originally a good guy Ginjo was suspicious since his introduction. Yhwach was the big bad since the beginning. >Ichigo jobs and loses his powers AGAIN Doesn't happen in Soul Society, Fullbring or TYBW. >gets even more new powers via asspull Only Final getsuga was an asspull. >one shots the bad guy and everything goes back to normal Doesn't happen in Soul Society or TYB, needs a group to defeat Yhwach.
>Bleach literally lost 90% of its readership within the span of a few months.
>literally all of Ichigo's friends were completely useless throughout the entire series. When was it implied that they were going to be super important?
>Yes. even Rukia. Nothing she did had a lasting impact on the greater narrative. Her rescue shaped SS for the better, even Yamamoto discarded retarded rule and broke them, giving Ichigo his powers back in the fullbring arc.
>cope >cope >cope >more cope dilate, you dishonest troon. Your series is garbage and will get the shit kicked out of it by CSM worse than an asian in a BMAF relationship
>Bleach is apparently supposed to be about coping with loss but nobody lost anything in the end. Yeah this. Aizen's speech in the end is a direct homage to the first two volume poems (ichigo and rukias). Ichigo's is about fearing death, rukia's is about having hope if you don't think about death. Aizen's speech ties these two poems together and talks about how death in itself is what gives people meaning in life, and accepting death, but moving on forward anyway is what gives people courage.
The fact that no one in the main cast died, let alone, lost anything significant, gives the speech no real meaning. If it were at least ichigo and rukia in the final battle together, it may have meant something, but the fact that they only interacted once in the last arc, but kubo decides to end it with them anyway, means he completley missed his point.
Also, OP read bleach with hindsight bias cause they even admit that kubo is going to add things to the anime. Try reading bleach without that mindset.
"like other shonen" dude, ALL shonen are being shit on with the very same complains you fucking retard
>Bleach is apparently supposed to be about coping with loss but nobody lost anything in the end. The main cast members have already lost someone precious at the beginning of the series, it's about them accepting it and moving past that. And we see them do that, those who can't and go down the revenge path get a bad ending like Gin, Tousen and Komamura.
>When was it implied that they were going to be super important? when they were established as the supporting cast you stupid nigger faggot piece of shit >Her rescue shaped SS for the better Yes, now they only oppress people 99.9% of the time instead of 100 >even Yamamoto discarded retarded rule and broke them, giving Ichigo his powers back in the fullbring arc. that was out of character asspull with no buildup whatsoever and you know it. Its telling that some lightnovel hack felt compelled to give an explanation behind it because Kubo couldnt care to
>No argument Concession accepted.
>The main cast members have already lost someone precious at the beginning of the series, yeah, so did everyone in Naruto, one piece, etc. that's not something unique to bleach. Furthermore, none of those characters are ever brought up again. Uryu forgets about his grandpa, Orihime forgets about her brother, and Kubo forgot Chad had a backstory and gave him a new one in the FB arc
>when they were established as the supporting cast you stupid nigger faggot piece of shit >Every supporting character is going to be super important kek
here's the thing... NONE OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT >b-but dragonball only spics and niggers think dragonball has quality writing
>Yes, now they only oppress people 99.9% of the time instead of 100 The gotei doesn't oppress people. Also it's not a heaven.
>that was out of character asspull with no buildup whatsoever and you know it. >The old man being changed by the young fellow who exposed their retarded thinking and basically saved all of them is an asspull
>The old man being changed by the young fellow who exposed their retarded thinking and basically saved all of them is an asspull yes because not once prior to that moment do we see a change in his character. All throughout the arrancar arc hes still a stubborn old faggot. Hell, TYBW even regresses the thing with Ichigo by establishing that Yama was too retarded to get his arm healed.
>that's not something unique to bleach. Never said it was.
>none of those characters are ever brought up again. Uryu's grandpa is brought up in the fight against Mayuri, him standing against Yhwach was also because of him. Orihime's brother is brought up again in the Arrancar arc with her fears of Ichigo turning into a monster, Kaien is pretty important in the SS arc and even some of the arrancar arc for Rukia. Ichigo's mother was brough up in the final arc.
> and Kubo forgot Chad had a backstory and gave him a new one in the FB arc Don't remember that.