Actually would've worked much better without the isekai aspect. just have sugita narrate sarcastically

Actually would've worked much better without the isekai aspect. just have sugita narrate sarcastically

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That applies to most isekai. You can just have the protagonist be ignorant of the world do to growing up in the boonies/on a remote island, and their cheat skill be a gift from a local god for fixing up an old shrine of theirs or something

But then the disposable salarymen audience wouldn't be able to indulge in their escapist fantasies

Totally agree. The only thing I really hated about the premise was having to remember what a disgusting, reprehensible man was possessing that cute shota.

Rudeus wouldnt have learned magic nearly as fast if it wasnt for him being isekaid. The whole point of the story is him finally living life seriously when he failed to do so in his past life. It would not work without being isekai because it would change the fundamentals too much to the point that it would not be even close to the mushoku tensei we know.

To learn magic that fast without being from another world would require something like him being born into a different body than his first one, either within a new time loop of his own or some sort of normal reincarnation after dying there. It would still need other changes.

This is the only isekai where it's actually very out of place. If you remove it Rudeus is just a really gifted kid. Not even that gifted actually since in the new world god children exist. Not sure how different it is from the LN but sugita felt like a narrator throughout. Rudeus seems like a different person than the fat loser that died as well. Inb4 le he pervert, so was his fucking dad. he was literally fucking every woman he have worked with before.

You'd have to change the protagonist for someone else. "Becoming better person with satisfying life" is a central theme of the work, even if it's naive and executed like shit.

well yeah we know how isekai works and how popular it is just saying the way they did it is pretty close to not just be an isekai at all. seems that the genre was just hamfisted in. also killed some of the ecchi scenes

Mushoku Tensei is one of the few Isekai I've seen that actually does something with reincarnation aspect and doesn't just use it as a hook then turn them into a completely different character 5 seconds later.

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Holy shit, another of these "threads". At this point we should coin a new "isekai-aspect removal fallacy" term or such for it, considering how many times this dumb idea is brought up.
There's several points why the idea to just "make an isekai into regular fantasy" wouldn't work:
1. The ones who bring it up are most of the time anime-onlys who have usually seen maybe 20% (usually much less) of the currently released story.
2. The story is often still on-going and not finished yet (in MT's case this might not really apply, at least as far as Rudeus is concerned, but for other series it's usually still the case)
3. Even if the main story was complete, it's still possible for an on-going afterstory or a prequel/midquel/sequel set in the same setting to still show the necessity of the isekai part.
4. Regardless of anything else, it's the author's choice what to write, just like you have the choice to read/watch it or not. Most of the time you could probably turn every fantasy story into a sci-fi equivalent or every sci-fi story into a fantasy equivalent. But no one does, because no one cares that you could, in theory, do that. Let the authors have their freedom.

You're retarded and belong back on reddit.

The point is that the second life actually gave him the chance to succeed in the first place. A chance that the first life never had. It wasn't just a "I learned my lesson time to be a tryhard", there simply is no Roxy to pull MC outside in Japan. It's a social commentary on modern society that discards human beings like disposable trash.

>Regardless of anything else, it's the author's choice what to write, just like you have the choice to read/watch it or not. Most of the time you could probably turn every fantasy story into a sci-fi equivalent or every sci-fi story into a fantasy equivalent. But no one does, because no one cares that you could, in theory, do that. Let the authors have their freedom.
No one is forcing the author to do anything, my Twitter tourist friend. This is a forum for media critique. If another user's opinion bothers you that much, just ignore it.

>A chance that the first life never had
rudeus actually cared about small steps forward. the fat loser in the past life would've started cleaning his room at least if he was the same as rudeus but no, he's not wrong but everyone else is because he was le bullied. his IRL parents also showed genuine care, something not a lot of kids actually have, but who gives a fuck about them right? My hot mom though will motivate me. fuck off with this. isekai shit actually weighed this down.

It's as much or even worse ""criticism"" as/than "there's no black representation in this series and the women are portrayed in a sexist way, too!" is. No substance to the criticism, demanding the structure of the entire story be changed based on a small snippet of the story out of some weird confidence that the remaining 80% of the story that the ""critic"" has not seen yet will never feature the isekai part as a relevant aspect.

Cope and seethe fag

No Rudeus had regrets in his past life, that's the point.
The world was tough be he also have up on it, didn't try to work, study hard or anything, he was just escaping reality with video games and porn until he was too old and it was too late...

In his new life he begins working hard early (by reading books and practicing magic all day, learning languages...) and that's why he gets strong

small steps matter, no magical land can change that you cunt. you will always be a loser no matter where you're transported to

How do you justify baby rudeus training his magic if this is not an isekai?

>was just escaping reality with video games and porn
And what's exactly wrong with that? He could have try becoming professional fg player
>he was too old
Not too old to become a sculptor and sell figurines
>that's why he gets strong
He gets strong because after his rebirth he becomes extremely lucky and privileged.

Rudeus is so lucky

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Magic cool. Could've been a gifted kid with day 1 consciousness

The whole point of the isekai is that "but now I can restart it and do it right'.
It's a grand ideal to strive for and it's fitting.
It is kinda weird though how all these shows show not!Europe. Why do Japanese people relate to Europe, you'd think they'd like China instead, that is the real question

He was also being taught swordsmanship around the same age. it 's a magical land. in rudeus case, his parents wanted him to be a swordsman but he just found magic and had more affinity towards it. he wasn't even that special after meeting a few other people.

Not that it would definitely be bad, because the world itself is actually pretty interesting, but MT is one of the few Isekai that I think necessitates or at the very least properly incorporates aspects the genre invites. You could do a none Isekai MT, but the narrative would have to be vastly different.

>t. hasn't read the novel
I understand your position since the isekai aspect isn't used as much in the story at the beginning (or at least isn't as important as in some stories) but the entire story bricks if you remove it from the equation.
And I'm not even talking about the second chances aspect of it or Rudeus having a more comprehensive understanding of the world giving him a head start.
Removing the isekai aspect you remove entire grander narrative that so far was going on in the background. Orsted, Hitogami, Nana that all goes out the window, Rudy's daughter being the chosen one, that's also gone. Ruijerd, Gisu or Badi all of their plots also now make 0 sense.
Have a migger to help you on your way animeonlies and begone.

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>He was also being taught swordsmanship around the same age
No he wwasn't what the fuck, he started training magic as a 1 year oold