How would rate Shingeki no Kyojin if it had ended on episode 80 (+ 87) or chapter 123?

>his sister/unrequited
Imagine not understanding that Mikasa was a implied love interest from day one.

I did. That’s my point you illiterate.

Well sorry for not being able to interpret sterile near nonexistent romance writing from a literal incel

It is not non-existent. It’s barely even subtle. There are several panels throughout the manga that heavily imply Eren cares about her in some way, and the anime is even more overt about it. Somehow you just missed them.

Even should have killed them all.

>Eren didn’t complete his genocide, which is such a bizarre complaint I don’t even know what to say about it
The problem is timeskip is literally built around the rumbling story, it's not your average villain destroys the world device and indeed it's the main character doing it, for what seemed to be very understandable reasons, this combined with the fact that nobody cares about the shitty outside world means that if you write a typical ending where this world destroying is stopped and barely kills any named characters, then it'll always be an anticlimax and feel like there was a bigger, braver direction you should've taken, or else you should've just not done the genocide route in the first place

You will not get this and call me an incel Any Forumstard or whatever but this is to explain to the others in the thread

Woild ypu have accepted Eren losing even ifvhexwas in control of his fate?

Of course he cares about her they grew up together and trauma bonded, but he also pushes away her affection, never thinks about how she tried to kiss him, never tried to do anything with her, and never even has a single chill, normal conversation with her in the entire story

You would sooner convince me pre past arc Eren was gay or asexual than in love with Mikasa

You got your rumbling. That’s what I don’t understand. And I don’t know how you can say nobody cared about the outside world when that’s like the whole thing. What is outside the walls? Is this book Armin has real? Where do the Titans come from? What do they want? All of this is heavily tied to “outside world” first outside the walls then beyond the sea. It’s the same either way. It’s like the entire story. Idk how anyone could not care.

With the way the story is written from 1-122, I don't think it's possible to write a good ending where Eren loses, or indeed where the alliance lives, it's just antithetical to the setup
You could maybe write him losing if you rewrite from basement onwards

Eren should have been gay for Armin

So when he wrapped his scarf around her blushed, constantly tries to protect her and keep her safe, saves her life multiple times, promises to keep wrapping his scarf around her, looks directly at her while his inner monologue says he’ll take back his home and what he loves, confronts her and asks how she feels about him, that’s all “pushing her away” to you?

The main character died by the way. Idk how you figure that is anti-climactic or that “nobody important died”. The single most important person died.

That's the thing, I got my rumbling, it killed 80% of humanity, yet it doesn't feel like it because it killed almost none of the characters we know and was defeated in an extremely tone deaf silly way, it's this dissonance where describing the arc makes it sound apocalyptic and epic but the reality is it's just like any world threat in a superhero movie, nobody cries thinking about all the civilian deaths in a summer blockbuster do they?
Unironically makes more sense
I will not argue this with you, anyone outside of shippers like you can see Eren x Mikasa is sterile and underwritten even by shonen romance standards, which would've been fine if it was given no importance
At that point he was just a crazy villain who just happened to used to be the protagonist, is Thanos dying after being the MC of Infinity War shocking?
I keep using superhero examples because it's exactly the feeling the last arc gives me, it basically pretends the story was something it wasn't all along

WfP and marley/RTS/uprising to a lesser extent (but mostly wfp, story was on a decent track until 100-107) already killed most of the potential this story had, if it was a 0/10 at the ending it’s barely be a 1/10 if you remove the last arc

However I think SnK is a fun above average story nonetheless

>yet it doesn't feel like it because it killed almost none of the characters we know
Well... yes... it wasn’t aimed at characters we know, but the mass of npc across the sea

>WOOOAH, MC DIES IN THIS ONE, WHERE DO YOU GET TO SEE THAT, NOT LIKE OTHER BABY SHONEN. YEAH CAUSE WORLD IS CRUEL BUT GAY OR SOMETHING.

There’s nothing to argue. It’s very obvious that Mikasa is in some way special to Eren. It’s inconceivable to me to think I could’ve not received that loud and clear from the start.

He's put in antagonist role. It's anticlimatic because you expect him to die in a shounen ending

I think you would’ve complained no matter what happened if I’m being perfectly honest.

There are 10 cast members fighting against it in the final volume iirc, how many of them died again?

Special doesn't mean romantic

No, you wouldn’t. You would expect some sort of redemption. You certainly wouldn’t expect him to be killed by the love interest. To say that it was expected seems to me just a boldfaced lie.

>it wasn’t aimed against them
How hard is it to read user?
The goal of the rumbling was to depopulate and flatten the earth

Why? I used to love SnK, do you think I just decided to hate it in the last stretch for no reason?
All I wanted was for the luciferean/ragnarok build up to lead to a fitting conclusion, if Isayama wanted to draw guardians of the galaxy he should've drawn a different setup, simple as

The ending was bad because it had a twist worse than ZTD. Ymir being behind it all, not being freed in the Paths chapters, and using her descendants like action figures to get over her trauma is too dumb for me. It could've been well implemented, but establishing her as being freed by Eren in 123 really messes things up.

Additionally, Eren's plan makes no sense, because you don't end racial hate by staging the holocaust and then having "good nazis" stop it while continuing to allow the pro-Holocaust faction control as the ruling government. Again, this could have been implemented well if they played into Eren's 3/10 Wits, but instead of Armin berating Eren and calling out his plan as stupid and blaming him for ruining the world and forcing his friends to pick up the pieces, we get "Gee Eren, thanks for genociding the world for us so we can look like heroes!"

There's more to it than "my ship lost" or "I wanted Eren to win." A memorable ending would've been hot-headed Eren ruining it for all of his friends and them being condemned to live in the aftermath, but the failure to execute it is where the ending fell flat.

So is Armin what's your point?

Right, so you think it would’ve been better if Eren had a monologue about “Oh, I want to smooch Mikasa so bad but she’s overbearing!” or be really really direct about romantic feelings from the start? It’s ridiculous. That’s not how relationships are. You really don’t even know what you’re critiquing I think.

Good thing, Eren’s feeling toward mikasa are certainly not framed as too romantic, they’re actually pretty consistent across the story, and in no moment is his sexuality mentionned

If you don’t love SnK now then you never loved it

That you have to be blind not to have seen that from the start. For whatever reason, SnK clearly had this huge problem with people missing what is really obvious and really investing in what is not and never was even present. I have no idea why. Idek why I care about this enough to point it out. It’s just bizarre to me that such obvious things were missed by so many and the criticisms are so strange and bad.

If you really thought Eren was going to survive till the end then I don't know what to say, maybe watch/read more media. Also, him being killed by Mikasa was even more predictable, did you join this fandom recently or something?

Would've been much better. I just can't genuinely believe that 139 was the ending that Isayama was really setting up for.

Levi should've died.
Eren should've been the father.
There should have been some sort of twist about Eren manipulating Mikasa like he had with Grishna.
Ymir should've been "defeated" in a way that made sense.

etc.

What? Mikasa killing Eren is one of the most obvious things he was going for. And he was redeemed, at least by his friends appreciating what he did despite the cost and the Yeagerists. You know who else died and got redeemed, Nagato and Obito.