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Would you like shoujo more if the male lead were more relatable to you?

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>Would you like shoujo more if the male lead were more relatable to you?

Shoujo is more relatable than shounen when it comes to romance, it's more realistic on average.

But I wouldn't enjoy a manga if its focus in almost entirely on romance. There needs to be some action or comedy in order to make it enjoyable for me.

No

FIFY

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To be fair though he doesn't hate them because they're not attracted to him or because they buy him or whatever, but simply because his mother left his family.
No idea why everyone calls him an incel, he's a volcel.

I don't expect shoujo male leads to be "relatable" in the same way that romcom male leads are because that's fucking boring except if you delude into thinking the waifus are talking to (you) but sometimes it's cringe how fucking perfect the shoujo male lead is. I know there's the social expectation of the man to be the breadwinner, especially in Asia, and Japan has these kinda nazi ideas because they never went through a Nuremberg trials but it's still kinda obnoxious. It feels artificial, almost inhuman.

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incel is a state of mind. a volcel is celibate not out of anger or betrayal but out of apathy towards all forms of sex including masturbation.

I don't even like shoujo much because I am generally not a fan of romances, but shoujo have legit better male leads than otaku pandering romances with their spineless blushing idiots.

Obviously.
The more remarkable art is rather that they have better female leads than that too and that the female leads aren't captain average self-inserts.

>The more remarkable art is rather that they have better female leads than that too and that the female leads aren't captain average self-inserts.

Wtf are you talking about the girls in shoujo are literally even more self inserty than male oriented romcoms.

Mostly agree. The shitty feMCs are almost always from otome, not shoujo.
I don't know why exactly but female mangaka or romance series written for a female audience are more likely to include drama, negative personality traits of both, love interests and MCs and more development whereas male targeting series mostly refuse to touch anything negative or write the male MCs as people. It's pure characters that barely know what sex even is and no development at all. Sometimes a "romance" series can run for 30 manga volumes and end without a single kiss or actual confession. I never really understood why and if it's what otaku actually want or if it's just what creators believe they want.

Most "romance" series have sex. What you're describing is the chase. The will they won't they. That kind of series ends as soon as the couple gets together. The climax is the of the series due to the dynamic changes to the series.

Give me an example from a popular title.
They're almost all pretty the “internal thoughts” are a meme.
Most girls read romance and actually like it.
The boys that read romance are rare, and mostly just losers that don't actually want to read romance, but just want escapism.
Female romance titles don't target utter losers as obviously as many of the titles to males do.

Yet it doesn't happen like that in titles for girls.
Maid-Sama! last for 80 chapters or something and they kissed in the fourth for the first time.
It absolutely only concluded the ship at the end of it and it dragged it out,but it also didn't ensure that nothing would happen as a religion and they kissed plenty of times during it.

>Sometimes a "romance" series can run for 30 manga volumes and end without a single kiss or actual confession.
"""usually""" it depends on the author's gender.
male romance writers have confession/ kiss/ etc typically at the very end.
female writers typically include sex, kissing, and confessions fairly early on.

I use "usually" in the vaguest sense, because there's a lot of exceptions to the rule.

It depends on the audience more than the gender.

Is the new chapter finally out?

I disagree.
We had Koi Kaze, Kodomono Zikan, Aki-Sora and all that stuff too that had actual devellopment.

What? I'm not white now

New chapter when

Promised next month.
As always, it will probably take two months.
>Next installment is expected in the july issue

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