Ashita no Joe

How could modern MC's even compete?

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Shounentards bitch about crybaby MCs but at least they do what needs to be done instead of letting their mistakes ruin their lives.

He moved on eventually and got HIS own happy ending, wtf are you talking about?

By not being retarded niggers that can't solve all their problems by blocking punches with their face.

Manga peaked at the prison arc and fell off quite hard after Rikishi's death and shouldn't have continued for as long as it did after that. Also what the fuck was the author thinking with pic related?

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cool flips but i do agree this was the worst bit of the whole thing, ending is beyond kino so it more than makes up for it

>manga peaked before they even started boxing professionally
Come on man, you don't need hot takes for 50 year-old manga.

Entire manga is good, the only bad part is literally the pic you posted, that fight is absolutely awful, I get what they were going for with it, but its still bad.

Compete in what? What are the supposedly great qualities that make Joe such a remarkable shonen hero that puts him above the lesser modern ones?

If we're talking about anything boxing related, he doesn't exhibit anything more special than your stock shonen protag already does; but of course AnJ is not really a sports manga interested in the sport itself. Strip away all the traditional sports cliches and Joe is nothing but the story of a poorfag who's been left behind by society, an orphan with nothing and nobody to rely on, so boxing becomes a perfect escape for him.

Maybe you find that inspirational or uplifting or whatnot and that's within your right but I think you're just misinterpreting the story and Joe. It's social commentary masquerading as a sports manga so without the social context to relate you just have a mediocre boxing manga where fighters trade concussive counters for 10 rounds. Modern shonen protags are at least honest with their themes, and they don't kill themselves.

The fights after Rikiishi's death don't hold up to the quality before that and are pretty mediocre. The story spends too much time on Joe's bad period and it fucks up the pacing of the story. We really didn't need the hobo period+3 fights+ the underground fights for that.
How is it a hot take to prefer the arc where the protag had the most growth? Ashita no joe strong suit isn't the boxing but the character drama.

It’s simple enough, he has a lot of charm and charisma, he’s extremely flawed but not a complete douche and he does what he loves.
He found a purpose in life that hooked him completely, such an obsession and love for boxing that made dying for it completely worth it, even if he could have a better peaceful outcome, the need to burn to depletion was impossible to ignore, and that’s something you can link with ANYTHING in life if you have ever felt passion for something.

At the end of the day, the whole thing is a love letter for selfish desires and needs, which is kind of fucked on it's own right but cool and inspirational in a fair dose

So this is what The Boxer ripped off.

Your opinion but the aftermath of Rikishi had a perfect mood for a lot of people and while some fights, specially in the anime were not necessary, but fights like Carlos, Kim's and Jose were all kino

Also I prefer Carlos over Rikishi, that latino man was a big reason why Joe wanted to truly die on the ring since he sparked that sickening flame he couldn’t let go off

>At the end of the day, the whole thing is a love letter for selfish desires and needs
Not really, no. It's more like "this is what society does to you" the manga does not portray Joe's obsession with boxing as a good thing

By not dying.

Well of course, he fucking died, but the passion is incredible comendable, to die at his own will for the thing that gave him life in the first place, that fiery love for the game to give your very all for it.
But with that being said, the manga nor the show paints it in a negative light either, the anime gives it an heroic feel which i don't love too much with the whole "Joe Forever" theme but it's undeniably inspirational, he killing himself is inspiring despite not being heroic, despite traumatizing a poor married family man for life and breaking poor Yoko's heart, that's why the ending works

pathetic! what's the point but to LIVE til the end!

>protagonist has human flaws therefore he's a bad character
Can't believe I share oxygen with people like this

this

Joe is an insufferable retard.

All I see here is wimps and wussies!

Fuck Joe, he's an asshole, can rot in a gutter.