This was a surprisingly decent show

It's mostly devoid of anime tropes. It's dark but not over the top edgy like Invincible or Attack on Titan. Just tackles its themes with tempered maturity. It has some body horror but that's about it. Great OST as well. This is what shows that are aimed at teens/young adults should be.

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yeah, women are better writers

The shows authors were men and they made many improvements on the show.

FMJ Brotherhood is better

>Brotherhood
it's gay and very childish.

its the best anime by far and if it was 3d show it would be accepted to be the superior lotr

I like both FMA and FMA:Brotherhood and think the rivalry between the fandoms is retarded.

maybe for tranime fans that have no standard to judge shit other than other tranime. brotherhood is basically like your typical anime with corny jokes being cracked during a "serious" moment or fight. in fact its constant no matter what. its definately more tranime than the OG fma. like that guy said the og is what anime aimed towards teens should be like.

this sutble anime threads are getting annoying
you have a whole board to post your TRASH

>its the best anime by far
idk it felt like a marvel movie to me, and people hyped it so much that it disappointed me.
maybe i had to high expectations.

Yep easily the best anime made except maybe avatar

Yeah I really like the humor in Brotherhood.

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2003 is shit and you're a faggot for needing it to be "not like anime" in order to enjoy it.

the first third is absolute garbage. the remaining 2/3rds is pretty good though.

retarded part of brotherhood is it clearly assumes you've seen the previous anime and probably read the manga as well. if you try watching it as the introduction to the setting it's going to be awful. not that it isn't awful if you have, but at least you understand why it's awful - it's just trying to get to the point where the first anime left off to do its own thing

I completely understand why people prefer Brotherhood, I get that, but FMA 2003 is far superior. It is authentic, it has drama and a well-defined atmosphere, it is also way better drawn and animated with a satisfying color palette. Brotherhood is just too bright and childish to be taken seriously.

>you're a faggot for needing it to be "not like anime" in order to enjoy it.
Aka normal non-troon people enjoy it and tranime fans enjoy FMAB. Got it.

massive cope. even naruto knew when to turn off the kiddy humor shit. in fact thats part of what made that series so popular, they excelled at that but wasn't so good in other areas.

Any Forums is literal cancer. it makes Any Forums and /tv seem sane and reasonable even at their worst. even the most obnoxious thinly-veiled politics or porn threads are nowhere near as bad as the average Any Forums thread

Your average Any Forums threads are waifu trash. So yeah, you're right. If you want to know why too much escapism is bad for you, just visit Any Forums. I have more respect for porn posters and politics posters than them.

Is there any recommended mixed watching of the first episodes of the first series and then starting from some point in brotherhood in order to get the closest experience to the manga?

you can watch both, theyre literally both different stories past a certain spot. first series is better though, and it will.be much more apparent watching them back to back.

I've only seen brotherhood and thought it was pretty decent, other than some of the humour being too in your face and kind of cringe. Is the original really better or is it classic Any Forums contraionism ?

I've seen the first series already and read the manga, I just want the full og experience but animated.

The best aspect of 2003 is the ending. The villain is completely different and is the final story.

The general consensus is to Watch the very first episodes of the 2003 version and then switch to Brotherhood the Moment the 2003 version stops following the original manga story
2003 have a fairy unique and gothic aesthetic, but the plot pretty much fall apart in the final act. It even ended with an atrocious cliffhager to promote a OAV sequel about interdimensional nazis from our world invading the FMA ones

>thinking 03 is better that brotherhood

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This kind of shit is what ruined Hellsing Ultimate for me. Yeah bro let's have this super dark vibe and atmosphere and then break into these weird comical; faces and chibi moments for comic relief. Amazing.

>Rushed cliffhager ending to promote a movie about interdimensional nazi invasioni

Lol no. The manga/2011 version have legit one of the most complete and satisfay ending of a shounen i can remember

8 don't get how you people can like the multidimensional thing. It was retarded and out of nowhere.
Speaking of hellsing, there's a lot of that chibi stuff in the manga that got cut, and it wasn't that bad in Ultimate anyway.

Yeah it's better in most respects. These two scenes perfectly illustrate the difference between the two series.

2003 Greed death.
youtu.be/Mtl79S_FwQY
FMAB Greed death.
youtu.be/30YHKLm5Zjg?t=420

>Tranime

Its far more atmospheric but how the plot reached that situation was stupid and illogico
People in this thread should really warn new watchers about the weakest part of the 2003 version: plot structure

For anyone who wants a reference, the second the video I linked here is also the full "satisfying" ending these people are talking about. Just watch say 3 minutes of it and you know what you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Also 2011 Greed as a character Is far, far more interesting and fresh out. 2003 One simply looks cooler

2003 completely eliminates the cringe humor, it has a more serious atmosphere. The Ishval and Lior plot is taken way more seriously. It's an actual drama with consequences and feelings.

same lol, hellsing ultimate could be 1000 times better but it chose to be silly.

>Speaking of hellsing, there's a lot of that chibi stuff in the manga that got cut, and it wasn't that bad in Ultimate anyway.
It was terrible in Ultimate. The janky one with the funky music had a way better atmosphere and aesthetic. Alucard's intro in that first episode is peak cool. No amount of excessive ultraviolence in Ultimate manages to come close to that scene of him just standing there smiling creepily at Ceras.

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Lol that the main villain defeat, not the proper ending. All characters received satisfacing ending for their arc in 2011
2003 instead ended in a rushed edgy cliffhager and pretty much everyone is still sad and in despair, despite defeating Dante and Pride
Its the kind of nihilistic rushed ending the GOT writers would had loved

it has too much japanese """humor"""

I don't know man, if a few dumb scenes here and there managed to ruin the best adaptation hellsing could hope for, what can I tell you.

Isvhal in 2003 Is only superficiale edgier, while bieng far less fleshed out than in 2011. In the original plot, its a decisive geopolitical event that influences almost all the personal subplots of the main characters in one way or another
In the 2003 version, It Just exist to justify that bullshit borderline romantic sub-plot between Lust and Scar that involved him cucking his dead brother

This is Any Forums dude, a litterall anime forum.

>muh tropes

>Plot, Plot, Plot, Plot.
All of this plot leads to a cringy final combat sequence in FMAB. In 2003 it's one of the key events which shows the brothers didn't change things as much as they thought. It plays a far bigger role in Mustang's character arc as well.
>Edgy
Oh god, is showing a bit of blood edgy these days. It treats war as it should be treated, not as a sanitized plot point.

>anime forum
It's a Korean basket weaving forum dipshit

It actually isn't. 2004 had far superior music

why do you troons resort to this everytime you feel attacked? it was an anime forum for like 2-3 years top newfag. do you know all the cringy shit this site was as well before?

Normalfags

This guy is right.
t. Any Forums immigrant. Idk why they used to shit on tv when it's a much better and funnier board.

No fight in 2011 are as a cringy as in 2003
>Pride vs Mustang in 2003
>Fight in a basement, Pride use his sword to make a hole in the wall
>"Checkmate Mustang, your explosive Fire magic of doom its useless now that i made this hole!"
>???

funniest thing about brotherhood is that they had the luxury of redoing the anime and had an easy map of what to fix and what to do yet they still fell flat considering the hindsight they had the privilege of. brotherhood is unequivocally shit because of this, compare it to dragon ball z kai for example, which of course is not perfect but is still considered one of the best ways to redo anime.

Didn’t ask, newfag.

>This retard failed to get basic exposition.
Lmao, he disrupt's the airflow with his sword slashes to fuck with Mustang's alchemy. He just happens to hit the wall during his first demonstration. Kek.

Retard.

DBZ Kai did good in terms of plot but the overall aesthetic was fucked up. They also needlessly shortened fights like Recoome vs Vegeta which were one of the shorter and well paced fights.

By this logic Mustang would be completelly useless in fights that dosent happens in closed rooms. Retards.
Infact, right in the next scene we saw Mustang destroying effortelessly half of the building with his powers. The real problem is Pride being immortal.

Mustang creates explosions by controlling the airflow, a sealed environment like the wine cellar with the door wielded shut it's the perfect battle ground for Mustang, however, Pride is aware of those
Pride is Mustang's ultimate enemy because he's responsible for Hughes's death and all the military corruption and genocidal campaign which almost made him commit suicide after the atrocities.

>Mustang creates explosions by controlling the airflow, a sealed environment like the wine cellar with the door wielded shut it's the perfect battle ground for Mustang
Again, if this logic is true, Mustang would be much weaker on open spaces. Instead, we saw him torching entire cities with no problems
Fire is fire. A smaller of bigger fire would had burn Pride regardless. The real and only problem was Pride regeneration
That entire hole stuff was completely useless. Also the rivalry between Mustang and Pride is forced in 2003. Envy was the one who actually killed Hughes

you are so dumb. mustang can create huge explosions in open areas but he does not have too much accuracy, I think this fact is explained in both animes if I'm not mistaken. more airflow = more destruction. in the closed room Mustang would be able to fight 1 on 1 with Pride with accurate flames.

Read this is even further explained in Brotherhood fight, when Envy turns into a huge monster. Mustang has a smug look and tells him that bigger targets are easier for his alchemy

>By this logic Mustang would be completelly useless in fights that dosent happens in closed rooms. Retards
Why? Unless someone is creating sharp vaccums in airflow like Pride did it wouldn't be an issue to Mustang in outside environments.

But that's besides the point, you thought the hole alone was his weapon when in fact it were his sword slashes that were disrupting his Alchemy. He literally like in typical anime fashion explains it but you somehow misunderstood and instead of admitting that you're trying to nitpick the realism of that tactic in FMA. Retard.

>in the closed room Mustang would be able to fight 1 on 1 with Pride with accurate flames.
Nope. He was fucked regardless because it was a closed place where Pride could take full advantage of his vast superior melee skill and immortality
In the very next scene we saw him torching Pride into a pile of ashes, but the nigga just regenerated
Once you produce enough fire to kill someone, having a stronger explosion power is just overkill. It matters nothing in a Homunculs fight. Regardless of the battlefield, Mustang would had been dead without the involvement of Pride's human reimans

based

FMA 2003 has the visual and some great moments for it, but FMAB has all the rest.

The story is better, the themes are tackled better, the music is better, the antagonist is better, etc.

People like 2003 over FMAB because of nostalgia and "old is better"

the Pridge fight was in a small room. No problem aiming down there.

Just accept it. 2003 fights are full of nonsensical plot holes and plot-inducted stupidity. manga and 2011 have much better and logical fights (aside the clusterfuck with father)

lol what almost everything was better, the animation was dbz footage not new footage/animation so idk what you mean by the aesthetics. dbz kai is the standard for anime remakes for a reason. brotherhood is a sore topic for a reason as well. it speaks for itself

Accuracy is also one of the increased benefits he gets from philosopher stones. But yeah, this is explained in both anime.

Yea, you can see in this thread that it's full of pathological contrarians that prefer 2003 because it's "edgier"
2003 is better only in visuals and soundtrack

All anime is garbage and you need to grow up and get some bitches.

>the antagonist is better, etc.
The antagonist is a one dimensional shonen villain with no personality. The "themes" were better? Thanks for the laugh.

You are a coward if you cannot post your thread on Any Forums, weab

Mustang was never supposed to win this fight, Pride was way stronger and Mustang was unaware of this, he never fought homunculi before. He got lucky because of the human remains

>2003 fights are full of nonsensical plot holes and plot-inducted stupidity. manga and 2011 have much better and logical fights (aside the clusterfuck with father).
There are no or at least no more plotholes thab 2011 fights? But FMAB fights were worse because they had typical shonen screeching, retarded dialogue and direction like here Watching it gives you second hand embarrassment.

>The antagonist is a one dimensional shonen villain with no personality
That's the point retard. Father created the Homunculs by extracting his own emotions/sins, because he considered them a human weakness. When he was a small rounded nigger in a bottle in the flashback he showed far more personality

Dante instead is just a vapid whore than dosent want to die, but somehow was able to command an army of immortal monsters far stronger than her and build a country all by herself from scratches

I liked both brotherhood and 03. Each one had aspects and characters that they handled better. In fact, it’s kinda weird and jarring how a character in one who gets fleshed out and has a whole character arc will just die in the other.
Ultimately, I think brotherhood is probably better if I had to choose, but both are worth watching.
I liked 03’s take on the homunculi better, and Dante was an interesting antagonist.
If I had more energy, I’d write which version of each character I prefer.

>Plot hole fights.
Kill yourself manchild. Do you want to argue plotholes? In the final fight Mei could've used her long range Alkahestry to literally free ed instead of helping Al in his "sacrifice" to give his brother's arm back.

The biggest moment in the climax happens because Mei and Al lower their IQ by 50 points.

for me brotherhood was good, but damn it was disappointing in places. first arc with the professor and nine felt so rushed, also I didn't like the designs of some of the big bads (the big green dinosaur envy was retarded, the weird zombies towards the end looked fucking shit). tonally it felt inconsistent, 2003 never had that problem, it did have humorous moments but overall it felt more heavy. Also rewrite is a kino OP.

There many plotholes. I can list a couple by mentioning Envy alone
>He starts the series with his manga commedy personality. Then in the later part of the series he's just a raging retard with daddy issues
>All humunculs have one specific power. Envy have BOTH shapeshifting and superhuman strenght. This makes sense in the manga as his real form is a giant lizard, but not in 2003 where he's simply an Edward rip off

>That's the point retard
"The villain was intended to be boring and uninteresting" doesn't make your argument better.
>but somehow was able to command an army of immortal monsters far stronger than her and build a country all by herself from scratches.
Kek, you literal retard. Dante didn't create Amestris. She just gained power over time. Her Alchemy puts her above the Homunculus and most importantly they follow her because she offers them what they want.

>explicitly state your goal is to remake the anime
>but also make the remake so that you have to have seen 2003 or it doesn't make any sense
?????

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As i said before, the final fight was the worst fight in 2011/manga. I dont deny that
I just said that ALL fights in 2003 are full of plot holes

Regarding characters, list me ONE (major) character that 2003 fleshed out/developed/threated better than his/her 2011 counterpart
I can only think of Tucker, a subhuman vermin everyone in the fandom would had prefered staying dead like he was in the manga

These are not plothes retard? Are you telling that a character pretending to be jovial in beginning turning out to be sinister in the end is a plothole? Are you 12?

I liked the 2003 ending though

Whenever I think of Bratja I think of that ending

Lust is better
Greed is better
Wrath is better than Selim
Sloth is better
Maria Ross is bettet

>"The villain was intended to be boring and uninteresting" doesn't make your argument better.
It's a good argument if it's tied to the plot. Having a charismatic antagonist full of emotions would had killed the point of showing "flawed emotional humans are stronger than cold logical emotionless monster"

>Kek, you literal retard. Dante didn't create Amestris. She just gained power over time
And how she did that? This likely actually harder than building a nation from nothing, where you can handpick every single dude tasked with a relevant position.
In 2011, Father was able to keep control of the country by using Pride and his ability to change body across generations. How did Dante managed to push one homunculs at the top of the state hierarchy?

>Her Alchemy puts her above the Homunculus and most importantly they follow her because she offers them what they want.
Bullshit. Greed told her to fuck off and she instead imprisoned him. All the others were manipulated by using emotions, so at the best you can justify it by claiming all humunculs aside Greed (and maybe Pride) can be manipulated like 4 years old clueless childs
She even get killed by one of them, so she's isnt stronger either

Tf do you mean "anime tropes". Anime isn't a genre you retarded redditor.

Father is interesting as a villain, but he works better as a perfect opposite of Ed. He's also close to Lucifer and the "sins of the father" theme

But the other antagonists are better in FMAB as well (besides Lust) : Wrath, Envy, Pride, Kimblee, Greed

FMAB has Ling too

Yes 2003 is darker but FMAB is just objectively better

>Lust is better
Her new sub plot had no purpose aside sidelining Scar as a tertiary character
>Greed is better
Nope. His relation with Ling is what made the character good. In 2003 he barely have a role outside teaching us how to kill an Homunculs
>Wrath is better than Selim
Pride in 2003 is just a discount 2011 Wrath with none of focus on his hybrid human-homunculus nature. 2011 Pride is litterally an entirely different character that only share the same name
>Sloth is better
Again, two different characters. 2003 Sloth dont exist in 2011, so it dosent count
>Maria Ross is better
They skipped the fake accusation subplot, so no

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I forgot about Scar too, his fight against Wrath is well-done

Can anybody recommend any kino anime with an engaging plot like FMA? The sort of series that keeps you wanting to find out what happens next instead of fucking about actively ignoring the main plot.

My friend tricked me into finishing Hunter x Hunter. It has an interesting enough plot but is hindered by some really inefficient storytelling.

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>Wrath is better than Selim
Pride in 2003 is just a discount 2011 Wrath with none of focus on his hybrid human-homunculus nature. 2011 Pride is litterally an entirely different character that only share the same name
>Sloth is better

Forgot to mention 2003 Wrath also dont exist in 2011, so it dosent count

Legend of the Galactic heroes. One of the last few anime series that wasnt ruined by mainstream popularity. Probably because of it's pro fascism/militarism tones

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The worst crime of Brotherhood is making mustang's life revolve around the brothers and be nice to them for no reason whatsoever, basically just because they're the anime protagonists. it was dumb, what a way to ruin the character. i loved in 2003 seeing an important character in an anime not falling squarely into evil enemy to defeat or worshiping the protag's cock but being ambivalent and feeling like he has goals of his own.

monster is pretty good. lotgh too. I don't want much shone since FMA.

I love them so much bros.

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youre gonna put him to sleep, he was being clear what he wanted. my response would be death note if he wants that same feeling of wanting to find out what happens next badly to uncover the mystery/truth type of thing.

death note is shit after the first episode sadly. but its good if you're a teenager like I was when I watched it.

I tought instead in 2011 Mustang focus it's much more heavily involved around Ishtar as a whole. His main goal is to take power in the state to avoid another genocide like that
in 2003 i think the focus was moved more on the OG take of having him being the killer of the Rockwells. It worked much better as a personal drama and to justify his support for the Elrics (as they are basically brothers of the girl he made an orphan), but sideline is goal regarding taking power

>It's a good argument if it's tied to the plot
Not if the plot is uninteresting or boring ir better yet meaningless. A Villain has to stand on his own merits.
>And how she did that? This likely actually harder than building a nation from nothing, where you can handpick every single dude tasked with a relevant position.
See this is the issue with plot point mental midgets like you. First you try to nitpick plot hole and now that you've been proven wrong you simply move goalposts to an even bigger misunderstanding.

1) She has unprecedented Alchemic power.
2) She's immortal.
3) She has centuries of experience

And no it is easier to take over an existing nation if you have actually have uber powerful magic.
> Greed told her to fuck off and she instead imprisoned him. All the others were manipulated by using emotions, so at the best you can justify it by claiming all humunculs aside Greed (and maybe Pride) can be manipulated like 4 years old clueless childs.
One them is her literal child, another is a literal retard, one of them shares her delusions about being humanity's guide and two of them follow her for the possibility of regaining their humanity. Greed rejecting her manipulations doesn't invalidate her strategy because no strategy is perfect.

I like how you try to argue being manipulated means you're a 4 year old child, as if that's not what happens in both versions. The entire reason the elite Amestris go along witn Father is because of manipulation.

LoTGH is entirely main plot driven, probably one of the most main plot driven series around. He asked for a series that focused as much as possible to a drammatic main plot

>How did Dante managed to push one homunculs at the top of the state hierarchy?

Dante and Hohenheim were already rich and well connected aristocrats, but she ascended by using Envy and his shape shifting ability, just like Father in 2011. Envy was the first homunculi and also her son.

>Her new sub plot had no purpose aside sidelining Scar as a tertiary character
Scar is better as well. He isn't sidelined, he's given a much better arc.
>Nope. His relation with Ling is what made the character good.
His relation with Ling was shonen cringe and made the show actively worse. "The true greed was the friends we made along the way" is fucking embarrassing.
>of focus on his hybrid human-homunculus nature.
The focus being he is a "cold shota killer" who learns the power of ningen towards the end. Riveting stuff.
>2003 Sloth dont exist in 2011, so it dosent count.
Yeah she's replaced with a boring meathead
>Subplot was skipped
Doesn't matter, he relationship with Ed made her much better.

>a subhuman vermin everyone in the fandom would had prefered staying dead

What sort of faggot are you?

>but she ascended by using Envy and his shape shifting ability
2003 Envy shapeshifting skills are actually useless because he cant act for shit. He's a room IQ retard with anger and daddy issues. I cant see him being nothing more than a enforcer for Dante, unlike 2011 Envy and 2011 Pride

>2003 Envy shapeshifting skills are actually useless because he cant act for shit.
Says who? The only time he acts unlike the person he's imitating is when he is intentionally mocking someone.

I don't know why but 2003 Lust make my dick diamonds.

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>It's mostly devoid of anime tropes
What is a trope specific to anime?

Do you see this in any other artform?

>He isn't sidelined, he's given a much better arc.

>Ishtar reduced to a personal drama for Mustang. No role for him as bridge between the Ishtari and Amestris to rebuild the nation
>No subplot regarding him being the murderer of the Rockwells just because they were of Amestris. A key point for his character to accept that he acted no different than the Amestrians that killed his people
>No subplot about his powers being the synthesis of western alchemy and rentan art as a living legacy of his brother's work

In 2003 he just exist to create a philosopher stone and giving more relevance to Lust. He's barely involved with the brothers

I would add Hughes.
I don’t think a person who watched just brotherhood would be that broken up about his death.

I watch anime with my bitch

You didnt answered my question.

>Imitates the priest to incite a revolt of his workshippers
>Imitated Mustang good enough to force Hawkeye to use a trick to discover if he was the real one
>Imitated Ross well enough that he only betrayed himself by forgetting to shapeshit her minuscule black dot on the cheek

>In 2003 he just exist to create a philosopher stone and giving more relevance to Lust.
Just say you didn't watch the anime. He has that arc about "not being that different from Amestrians" here as well, heck it's made more meaningful here.

That's more of a problem of the 2011 series rushing the fist act while 2003 in the first act it's pretty faithfull. He's perfectly fleshed out in the manga

>Do you see this in any other artform?
So, the only anime trope is face distortion, which is plenty in this anime that is "mostly devoid of anime tropes"?

I stopped replying to him because he's literally just making shit up about 2003 in an attempt to make Brotherhood sound better. It's not even worth arguing with him because he's on an entirely false premise of shit that didn't happen.

I thought 2011 was more faithful in every way, while 2003 always planned to do its own thing

Naruto

>He has that arc about "not being that different from Amestrians" here as well, heck it's made more meaningful here.
It's not as in 2003 we have no real conclusion of the subplot about the pace bewtween amestrians and his people. Once he dies to make the stone, it's like his character never existed because he left no relevant legacy, as Lust died shortly after
In 2011 we have instead him rallying his people to help defend Amestris, the very same country that genocided them, once they realized both them and the amestrians were used and put against each others by inhuman monsters and a cabal of tracherous generals

Nope. 2003 started very faithfull, but then developed into an entirely different original story because the manga author was too slow
2011 was made for the 2003 fans who wanted to see the original manga story. So they rushed the first part already well adapted in 2003 because they wanted to reach they yet to be adapted part as quickly as possible
The general suggestion for new watchers is to watch the first episodes of 2003 and then switching to 2011 for this reason

Fuck off.

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>In 2011 we have instead him rallying his people to help defend Amestris, the very same country that genocided them
Just because you're a shonenbaby who thinks joining the good guys(he doesn't join Amestris, he joins our heroes) is peak character development doesn’t mean shows trying something different are bad. He literally dies regretting what he had become.

Yeah, but if you’re comparing how the two versions handled characters, you have to take that into account.
I usually suggest people who haven’t watched any FMA watch the first 10 or 15 03 episodes before swapping to brotherhood.

I have heard there is some character in very early 2003 that makes it different from the manga.

I must say, even if you prefer brotherhood, it’s pretty incredible that whoever wrote 03 managed to make such a good second half of the story on the fly like that.

>Wrath is better than Selim
Selim is a lot better in Brotherhood, that is barely even a debate. I don't even know what you'd like about Wrath in the original, he's a pretty tertiary character.
I agree with the rest though, except maybe Maria

Probably Basque Grand. in 2011 he's killed offscreen by Scar at the start of the series and it's only show in a following long flashback as a comrade and friend of Mustang
In the early episodes of 2003 for some reason he have more screentime, and he's show as an evil and corrupt official, one of the few changes on the otherwise faithfull 2003 first part
He stll gets killed by Scar early on, in a OG fight not shown in the manga

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Yeah it actually fits pretty seamlessly, maybe it gets a little silly at the end when it turns out the big bad is just a mad former lover of their Father but otherwise it's solid

Their ides about the Homunculs origins are very solid. But you can tell they improvised the structure of the plot episode after episode. this especially shows up in the final act where cyborgs and interdimensional travelings start showing up

I like how in the first series van Hohenheim actually is a cowardly piece of shit who ran out on his family and his usage of the philosopher's stone has no justification, he was just an asshole who was afraid to die

"Your daddy had a good reason to run out on you" is so overplayed in anime

iirc in the Manga while massacring those people declares its his duty to lead from the front because if not him, then who

Honestly says a lot about the Japanese mindset

>pro fascism/militarism tones
EMPIRE FUCKING SHITS

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Watched the OVA but it didn't really grab me

Is the series better?

People like Trunicht are the EFFECT of Democracy, user

Dont expect an action packed shounen. It's more of a deep dive into the politics of the galaxy and people having debates over philosophy, religion morality and history while massive spaceship battles and giant space fortresses/artificial planets plasma cannoning each others to oblivion

Original has slightly better execution but the antagonist sucks and the show’s own additions are kinda crap. Brotherhood’s execution is hit and miss but being an adaption of the whole manga it flows way better than the showrunners trying to guess where the story could go in the original.

Democracy may produce such reprehensible individuals like Trunicht, but don't pretend authoritarianism is any better. The only reason Reinhard came to power was because the Kaiser deliberately played favourites, and the only reason he was successful was because he was a genius at war and politics. Before him the empire was just a system that encouraged degeneracy and hedonism in the nobles because Rudolf wanted to larp as space prussia.

What? That isn't true. They both start from the same point

Yang is in favor of individualism and civil right, not democracy just for the sake of it. He even admit living under Reinhard's regime before Ragnarok was actually better for pretty much everyone outside politicians, compared to the corrupted alliance.
His real problem with autocracy is that overnight you can change a benevolent genius with an evil/incompetent tyrant, and the people have no ways to remove him from power. It's all a chance game where the chance of getting a shit ruler is bigger than having a good one

Brotherhood cuts the arc with the crazy mine captain who becomes a character later, I can't even remember his name.
It opens with an original fight against a literal who alchemist who was about to stop the show from happening and yet almost no homunculi care this is happening
Remake Reole/Leto is a footnote compared to 03 and is a sloppy episode
There are more differences I think but I haven't watched 03 very closely or 09 in a long while

I'm not comparing selim to selim but wrath to selim aka token shota antagonist. Selim/pride apart from the initial shock of his powers offers little as a character. 2003 wrath on the otherhand at least has a touching arc about being rejected by his mother and then gaining some acceptance. And for all the talk of Brotherhood's action, Wrath vs Gluttony is better than anything Brotherhood has to offer. So he has that going for him as well.

Yea the first episode of Brotherhood was a weird OG stuff with a plot and a character never appeared in the manga and never mentioned after

^ This.
Also, the pacing is completely off in the first few arcs. No tension, no proper buildup. Just outright confusing and annoying to any new viewer who isn't aware of what's going on/experiencing nostalgia.

By contrast, the 2003 show is written and paced very much under the premise that the viewer doesn't know what's going on yet, so characters, plots, rules, and relationships are developed at an according pace.

I know the official line is that Brotherhood is it own show and explicitly meant to not have the other show be a prerequisite. But this is either a lying cope, or the show producers were too deluded to see how it unconsciously came out that way.

I rewatched both recently, and desu I don't understand what's the fuss about brotherhood.

BH skips exposition because it expects that you saw the original.
Many plotlines are cheaply written or go nowhere.

03 had more interesting characters and character development, and the story was much more mature with its meaning than the pseudo intellectual stuff brotherhood was trying to build up to but eventually failed and ended in a lame shounen fight with not consequences.

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>Many plotlines are cheaply written or go nowhere
Prime example being scar vs Kimbley "rivalry". There aren't any arguments for FMAB other than "muh source material" and "muh plot".

>did we resurrect our own mother? no it's a bone of a man. Oh okay...?
>Kimbley gets out of prison, everyoe is scared of him because...?
(they don't tell you he makes bombs or allude to how he does it, cuz you watched '03)
>Hawkeye has a tattoo on her back, which is significant because??? oh yeah it's flame alchemy, okay, so why is it relevent? OIh because Mustang burnt it from her back so noone can learn it.
this basically just establishes their connection at 2/3rd into the series where we already know them pretty well, server no purpose.
>My brother figured out how to undo the big bad, it's in this book. Okay but what's the secret? Rip all the pages out and flip them. oh okay.
this is just straight up retarded.

>Kimbley to the russians: go to the border, it's no longer protected. I'm from the enemy btw.
>Russians: okay. let's go there.
they get obliterated, Kimbley "I painted a red sign!"
???? okay?

Also almost every fight is basically, keep hitting homonculus until the plot decides it's dead. No clever way or figuring out their weakness, it just happens.

Seriously, why do people think it's so good?

I vaguely remember trying to watch Brotherhood and getting bored, as I usually do with modern animes. I don't remember much about the original except that I'd watch it late at night on Adult Swim and that the dog-daughter episode stuck with me. Shit was fucking sad man. All in all though animes is a shit except Berserk 97, Cowboy Bebop and Dorohedoro fight me

I disagree. All anime including those 3 is shit. Not one anime is not boring inducing shit written for manchildren. You have 0 standards, go read a book.

>the antagonist is better
>hurrdurr want all the power so i become god one note shonen villain
Themes were more mature and relevant on 2003. Homunculi being the result of failed human experimentarion was a much better idea than "Lol I just made them because I wanted henchmen". It speaks of consecuences. Of the fucking theme of the series. Sacrifice. Homunculi in BH are just the generic villain group.
2003 also has a much better OST that its almost a joke to compare them.
Brotherhood also wastes too much with action and powerlevels. Which I guess is why you like it. Buts its just a very competent shonen fighting anime. Nothing else. 2003 on the other side is a much better series.

there are stakes in FMAB, people die, Father almost committed a genocide

If you refer to the scene where Ed brings Al back, it can feel cheap and too easy but it's actually earned and logical

And it's the perfect ending for Ed's arc (the opposite of Father's)

I feel like the only reason you guys don't like FMAB is that it's more childish, which is not a valid argument

>Any Forums is better than Any Forums
kek, in your dreams. In Any Forums we actually shit on all anime since they are regurgitated trash. Here on Any Forums people actually praise these shitty slide shows made by retarded japs.

>Seriously, why do people think it's so good?
I really liked it after my first watch because I had already seen the 2003 show and thought the ending to this one was much better from a plot/themes/consistency perspective.

It was only on subsequent viewings/trying to show it to friends that I realized how severely lacking it is in all other departments.

I only watched Brotherhood but I really liked it. Felt thought out and coherent unlike a lot of Shonen that just keeps escalating and retconning plot points as needed.

Kek it was shit. Only someone with no standards would like it.

go back

You just described why Any Forums is trash. Now it's time you went back.

>there are stakes in FMAB, people die, Father almost committed a genocide
People die in FMA as well, kek. More importantly relevant characters die in FMA(like scar). Also, "almost commits genocide" KEK. That's the issue we don't feel the stakes in FMAB because like typical shonenbaby shit the genocide is reverses. We know it'll be reversed because it's shonenbaby shit. It's like pretending infinity war had stakes because of le genocide when we clearly knew it was going to be undone in the sequel.

> No you have to like my kiddie cartoons
Face it anime and manga is all trash. Japs can't into anything because they are all brainless hacks. It's entertaining to make fun of them. Old Any Forums would have shit talked and post gore on any anime trash. New Any Forums feels like old Any Forums in that regard

no... just no
even speaking as someone who watches 2003 first and enjoyed it

the only thing you do in Any Forums is make shitty waifu threads, repeat the same "hxh is the best anime of all time" shitposts, and dream up headcanons about which male shounen character is most likely to already be having sex with which other male shounen character

False. Every thread we shit on every anime/manga. Waifu threads are shit but they are on almost every hobby board. Shounen shit is a problem though but I got those filtered.