Thoughts on Togame's character development?
Katanagatari
Bentley Allen
Nolan Allen
I liked when she died because if there’s ever a sequel it will have best girl hitei instead
Jacob Garcia
what development? she goes from 'I'm gonna use him and then have him killed because revenge' to 'okay I like him but I'm still gonna use him and then have him killed because revenge'.
Luke Martin
If you're referring to her hair, she obviously looked a lot better before it was cut off.
If you're actually talking about her character development, I thought it was compellingly tragic. The more she grew to love Shichika the more she hated herself for planning to kill him, but the more she hated herself the more she felt she deserved to suffer, and forcing herself to kill the man she loved would be the worst punishment she could give herself.
She was completely trapped by her own desperate logic, until Emonzaemon sets her free by killing her. That's why at the end she seems carefree and asks Shichika to fulfill her whimsical request instead of the more serious one about making a map. She knows she can't complete her revenge, so her stress melts away and all that remains is her love.
What would have been better development in your mind?
"I've been planning to kill him for almost a year, but I don't really want to so I'll just give up on revenge and... (start working sincerely for the government which killed my father and deprived me of my rightful place? abandon my huge mansion and important position to live with Shichika in a hut in the woods?)"
Grayson Scott
I'm not saying it was bad, I'm just saying she didn't develop much at all. She stayed the same, which is why she died.
Eli Kelly
Isaac Robinson
very tragic, katana is definitely Nisio's best work from beginning to end
Juan Peterson
Although her objective didn't change, her feelings did. Her love changed from fake to real, and as it grew it went from something she thought of as a useful tool to ironically being both her biggest joy and her greatest sorrow. She went from a determined and calculating person to a melancholy and conflicted one.
Even though her growth didn't change her fate, that's sort of the theme of the show.
Isaiah Rogers
Better than zaregoto and Monogatari?
Juan Sanchez
> Even though her growth didn't change her fate, that's sort of the theme of the show.
It may have potentially if she got to the point of actually giving up on her obsessive revenge goal, but she wasn't able to get to that point in time.
It's kind of weird in retrospect that half the 'message' of this show was basically just that failing or giving up is sometimes the best and only thing you can do to keep living.
Ryder Flores
zaregoto is boring for me but that's up to the viewer's taste i guess, i like monogatari the best but the actual narrative hits walls that are hard to ignore and makes it feel af he was just writting stuff up as he went along, but still kino
Henry Lewis
I'm glad she died. Not because I disliked her but because it's the most satisfying conclusion to her character.
Jayden Cook
Yeah, it was realistically the only conclusion she could have reached, at least she was able to manifest some actual love and sympathy for Shichika before she died.
Gavin Hall
>was just writting stuff up as he went along
Well yeah, I thing in an interview he said that he wrote on a whim more than anything. he says he sees words like pieces of a puzzle that suddenly start fitting together or something, I think he started to apply this philosophy in monogatari because zaregoto's dialogue feels more "novel like" and less witty back and forths. Is Katanagatari like that or does is it different from monogatari and zaregoto completely?
Ian Cooper
It's pretty different, the dialogue isn't nearly as irreverent. The story mostly takes itself seriously.
Robert Ortiz
it's definitely the best structured of his, and while it does have that classic banter dialogue, it's mainly straight forward(and episodic)
Dominic Cox
Are the Zaregoto light novels good?
Grayson Anderson
I read the first one and it was...okay, the first episodes can be a little tedious but when you get into the murder investigation it can get very interesting, especially the character interactions, though you can tell he was an amateur writer at the time it still is above average writing, some other people have been telling me that the second one is one of the best novels nisioishin has, I still haven't started it though.
Xavier Rogers
>but the actual narrative hits walls that are hard to ignore and makes it feel af he was just writting stuff up as he went along
that's why he needs his plot dump insert Gaen to smooth things over
Jayden Gonzalez
I liked the 1st one a fair bit (the shaft adaption is not good though) and the 2nd one a lot, 3rd one I thought was shitty and barely even remember what it was about
Thomas Campbell
at leat she's hot !
Noah Reed
There are like 9 of them right? Has anyone read past the first three?
Justin Long
I don't speak moonrunes so no