Villain chart thread

Villain chart thread.

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>villain

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Ragyo was amazing. Take your shit taste elsewhere.

Writing a great version of a "shit" tier villain is just as hard as writing a good version of the "great" tier villains.

>Kaiki
>villain
I should slap the shit out of you

> Ragyo
You piece of shit. Ragyo was a fantastic villian.

I think it’s fucking retarded to think that the only good villains are those who are relatable and sympathetic. That’s the viewpoint of an edgy teenager.

How about all of them at the same time?

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>what makes a good villain?
>real moral greyness, someone you might even want to root for over the hero!
I'm so fucking tired of this meme.

There is nothing wrong with having a villain that's an unsympathetic asshole.

I blame capeshit. I have no evidence nor reasoning behind my blaming. I still have a hunch it’s capeshit regardless.

Those elder god tier ones are always shit tier ones wrapped up in "for the sake of humanity!!" garb. It's ALWAYS something like population control, or protecting humanity from itself, or whatever. I don't know why people fall for it. Contrarianism maybe.

a "mid tier" can still be a fantastic villain. pic related fits the standards yet still is a exceptionally good villain

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What's a good villain then?
Evil for the sake of evil?

what tier is "i thought i was the hero but it turns out i was the villain all along"?

ASOIAF tier.

I choose to specifically blame Zack Snyder

>cool
>intimidating
>provides a challenge for the heroes, be it physically, mentally, or ideologically

That’s about it. From there a villain can be shaped and moulded according to a story’s whims.

Zetsu Daidan was the greatest anime villain of the past decade

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An entertaining character who makes for fun conflict in a way that either compliments or challenges the characters we're meant to root for.
If you can't understand characterization as a storytelling device you shouldn't bother trying to discuss it.

This

Someone who is actually interesting to watch. Fuck the motivation.

Sometimes it's about the actual role they play in the story rather than what their goals are. You could have this villain with this tragic past and sympathetic backstory and all these layers but if they don't actually fit with the themes of the story or the hero's own story, then they're not going to be as compelling. There's many ways to make a good villain, and it's entirely dependent on how they fit in to your setting and what kind of factions they're surrounded by.
Sometimes your villain might seem like they're just cruel and greedy, work with it, make the audience hate them, make the audience really love to hate them, make the image of them getting their ass beat and their philosophies dismantled in front of them that appealing. If the 'morally grey villain' with 'goals that are far more noble than the hero's' is eating a child and stepping on a puppy and ignoring any arguments against his reasoning then they're not morally grey or noble, they're just handsome assholes that think they're right.

>Mid tier is actually elder god tier.

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What's the difference between mid tier and great tier?

The reluctant villain gets to whine to you about how sad they are that they have to blow up that orphanage